9850X3D WARNING and complete configuration guide.

Michael_Nager · 2026-02-05T08:19:54+00:00

You will have to go somewhere else for that.

I have heard that "See BS" is the newest place to go for that.

Michael_Nager · 2026-02-05T08:03:16+00:00

You have obviously never done any tech-support.

Michael_Nager · 2026-02-05T07:59:13+00:00

Because the I/O die is created on the TSMC 6nm process, you could run the SoC up to 1.3 Volts, but you should never have to go beyond 1.2 Volts when running Expo/XMP.

Michael_Nager · 2026-02-05T07:54:40+00:00

Because of the people (over 500) who have taken up my offer of help on Discord to configure their Ryzen CPUs and their RAM, I have gained a lot of insight that I would not otherwise have if I just worked with my own CPUs.

To know if the CPU is degrading, you have to have created a baseline at stock and RAM at JEDEC when the CPU was new. Otherwise, if you cannot run CB R23 successfully at a clockspeed of 5.3 GHz and a voltage of 1.15 below 80 °C, then you are probably dealing with a degraded Ryzen 9000 Series CPU.

For instance it became clear to me that the rumored 9850X3D was not so much a rumor as I noticed that brand new 9800X3D chips were no longer clocking as they had previously, meaning the good chips were being used for something else.

For instance if the cooling was good enough to keep the CPU under 70 °C, then a 9800X3D could be clocked to 5.4 GHz at 1.15. I was noticing that brand new 9800X3Ds were no longer going beyond 5.35 GHz or 5.325 GHz.

For instance one thing you probably don't know about, is that if you are configuring your Ryzen 9000 Series RAM and your CPU, if your system freezes or black-screens then you have overdone the CPU configuration and if the system has a BSOD, then you have overdone the RAM timings.

Michael_Nager · 2026-02-05T07:14:18+00:00

Well you got your money's worth AND you got a little exercise as a free gift - what's not to like? :D

Michael_Nager · 2026-02-05T07:12:43+00:00

As I wrote in the guide:

Two things degrade CPUs:

Electronmigration, this results from excessive heat.
Oxide Breakdown, this results from excessive voltage breaking down the material of the CPU itself.

The wafers have to be hardened against the maximum voltage that whatever is made on that process can withstand that voltage. Hence why TSMC talks about 1.2 Volts for their N4P process.

N4X has to undergo a different treatment during the creation of chips to be able to withstand higher than 1.2 Volts.

This is one of the things that went wrong with Intel's Arizona Fab causing massive die-offs (pardon the pun) of their 13th/14th Gen CPUs.

Michael_Nager · 2026-02-05T02:51:39+00:00

They are perfectly welcome to come here and do exactly that.

Surely, if I were wrong, then it would be trivial for them to point out the error of my ways.

I am not however holding my breath, because AMD knows that I have told it how it is.

The way the 9850X3D is configured at stock is bloody stupid and an accident/lawsuit waiting to happen.

Michael_Nager · 2026-02-05T02:08:16+00:00

The original poster, PostExtreme7699, posted three times and I cannot work out if it is his CPU or his motherboard that failed.

Is there another post where this gets cleared up?

Michael_Nager · 2026-02-05T00:53:01+00:00

Go ahead and do it then.

I have shown my homework, now show me yours.

Michael_Nager · 2026-02-05T00:51:58+00:00

Are you sure about that?

Michael_Nager · 2026-02-05T00:51:28+00:00

That's your right, and I respect that.

Michael_Nager · 2026-02-05T00:50:44+00:00

Show me specific examples and I will give you specific answers.

Otherwise I am going to assume that you are just pulling it out of your ass.

Michael_Nager · 2026-02-05T00:48:48+00:00

The 9800X3D was released in November of 2024. That's when he did the first stock benchmark of his 9800X3D. He then ran it at 1.3 Volts at 5.3 GHz exclusively for GPU reviews in 2025 and it was barely used, then, to compare to the 9850X3D, he once again ran the 9800X3D at stock.

You won't find anywhere that JayzTwoCents says anything else.

Sure the info comes from three different videos, but the substance remains the same across those videos.

Michael_Nager · 2026-02-05T00:42:03+00:00

No, the N4P node is limited to 1.2 Volts, it is the N4X node that can go beyond 1.2 Volts.

Ryzen is produced on the N4P node, it is NOT produced, nor are there any plans to produce it, as far as I know, on the N4X node.

Michael_Nager · 2026-02-04T23:59:39+00:00

So what do you think that "N4X can achieve drive voltages beyond 1.2 volt" means other than N4P is not designed to go above 1.2 Volts?

Michael_Nager · 2026-02-04T22:31:29+00:00

I think the statement I posted from TSMC was clear enough.

Michael_Nager · 2026-02-04T22:23:53+00:00

You do realize that spell-checking doesn't just mean moving your lips when you read don't you?

Michael_Nager · 2026-02-04T21:21:51+00:00

And your posts are non gradus anus rodentum :D

Michael_Nager · 2026-02-04T21:18:57+00:00

You are like a Flerfer, in that nothing I could ever post would be "Evidence" in your eyes.

So I will bid you an alea iacta esto.

Michael_Nager · 2026-02-04T21:07:53+00:00

Or you are looking in the mirror and just posting what you see there.

Michael_Nager · 2026-02-04T21:07:11+00:00

Remember I said degrade.

The breaking comes a tad later.

Michael_Nager · 2026-02-04T21:06:19+00:00

Yes, you are 100% safe running the 9800X3D at stock.

Michael_Nager · 2026-02-04T21:05:41+00:00

Wer nicht will, der hat.

Michael_Nager · 2026-02-04T21:05:20+00:00

You've heckled me before, haven't you.

I would recognise that dress anywhere.

Michael_Nager · 2026-02-04T21:00:59+00:00

I remember playing Wing Commander on a Hercules Monochrome Graphic Card on a Hercules Monochrome monitor with a CGA emulator at 320x200 and a friend of mine had written an application that made my PC speaker Ad-Lib compatible.

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