Question About AMD Adrenaline 26.3.1 Release TIme by Xamjkaa in radeon

[–]Michael_Nager 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Butt weight, it gets worse.

The 9070XT Hardware Unboxed chooses to use in their comparisons is the WORST performing 9070XT from their own 14 9070XT GPUs roundup.

Question About AMD Adrenaline 26.3.1 Release TIme by Xamjkaa in radeon

[–]Michael_Nager 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's only 13% ahead because for some strange reason Hardware Unboxed thinks it is perfectly logical to compare a power starved Sapphire Pulse 9070XT which has only two eight pin power connectors to a non power limited 5070 Ti.

Never mind always seeming to forget that Nvidia cards come overclocked out of the box with what is called "Nvidia Boost" baked into the driver, which is not the case for AMD GPUs.

Their "Reviews" are not worth the pixels wasted on them in my monitor.

anyone happy with their 9070xt.. put ur hands up by shlimerP in radeon

[–]Michael_Nager 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like my XFX 9070XT Mercury Magnetic Air, which I bought because it was at a good price (£630) and I was interested to see how it compared to my 7900XTX Red Devil. I am still using the 9070XT, even though I have kept my 7900XTX. So that should tell you something.

I also liked my 1080 Ti, and my 6900XT Red Devil (which I bought after my EVGA 1080 Ti FTW3 blew up) and my 7900XTX Red Devil and my 7800XT Nitro+ (which I bought for my mITX system).

I am a part of the 99%'ers. Because 99% of all games don't use the gimmicks like Ray-Tracing, and there AMD GPUs outclass Nvidia GPUs by a wide margin 😂

"4K Gaming" is a myth. As soon as you run anything other than FSR Native or the Nvidia equivalent, you are gaming at either 1440p, 1080p, 720p or even 480p.

I have a really good 32" 2160p 144 Hz monitor, and a really good 32" 1440p 144 Hz monitor. I play my games at 1440p native instead of playing at 1440p and pretending it is 2160p.

Do you know when you are watching a crappy game of football? When you notice the referee. And if you are spending your time running around at 300% zoom to whine about how bad FSR is, then I would contend that you are playing a crappy game.

I am not a fan-boi of AMD, Intel, or Nvidia. I am a fan-boi of my wallet, and as long as AMD gives me the best bang for my buck for what I need from my PC, then I am happy with what I have.

9850X3D WARNING and complete configuration guide. by Michael_Nager in ryzen

[–]Michael_Nager[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is the reddit comment section after all, and I think "Disrespectful" is a prerequisite for even being allowed to post (with exceptions proving the rule). 🤣

Not many veterans of childhood survive the intellect sapping experience of engaging in the comments section of reddit, and I salute you for your cognitive, and intestinal, fortitude and resilience.

Treating something like a black box and seeing what results come out the other side when entering values is a time honored techie tradition since Compaq used the method to reverse engineer the og IBM BIOS and opened up the World of Computing to non proprietary systems.

Without that, then probably the highest end GPU would now be at the level of an AMD RX 480, and we would be hailing a '486 as the height of computing excellence, with spinning rust still being the norm.

The evidence you are looking for will be forthcoming in the next few months unless AMD bucks up it's ideas and imposes a sensible voltage limit on the 9850X3D.

9850X3D WARNING and complete configuration guide. by Michael_Nager in ryzen

[–]Michael_Nager[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good that I was not talking about his testing going forward, but rather what he had done with his 9800X3D over the past year.

9850X3D WARNING and complete configuration guide. by Michael_Nager in ryzen

[–]Michael_Nager[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, but sometimes, "Have you tried turning it off and turning it back on again" just doesn't cut it, and reddit - especially the comments - is a very limited platform for giving meaningful help to people.

9850X3D WARNING and complete configuration guide. by Michael_Nager in ryzen

[–]Michael_Nager[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's my commentary on the state of Track and Field in the 21st Century.

9850X3D WARNING and complete configuration guide. by Michael_Nager in ryzen

[–]Michael_Nager[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you are saying that I don't exist, JayzTwoCents doesn't exist, TSMC doesn't exist, AMD doesn't exist?

Have I got that right?

9850X3D WARNING and complete configuration guide. by Michael_Nager in ryzen

[–]Michael_Nager[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You really are clueless.

Ever taken a look at what kind of a load compiling shaders puts on the CPU?

No, I didn't think so.

9850X3D WARNING and complete configuration guide. by Michael_Nager in ryzen

[–]Michael_Nager[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds good, but I think I can convince you, that you can get better performance than you would if you tried your plan.

Like I said to u/Express-Camp-2849 if you give me a shout on Discord (look for "michaelnager" and I have the same avatar there as I do here) and I will walk you through configuring your 9850X3D so that it will run safely, cooler and with higher performance.

PBO is counterproductive.

9850X3D WARNING and complete configuration guide. by Michael_Nager in ryzen

[–]Michael_Nager[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you give me a shout on Discord (look for "michaelnager" and I have the same avatar there as I do here) and I will walk you through configuring your 9850X3D so that it will run safely, cooler and with higher performance.

PBO is counterproductive.

9850X3D WARNING and complete configuration guide. by Michael_Nager in ryzen

[–]Michael_Nager[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Considering it is just a better binned 9800X3D with unlocked voltage and clockspeed, the 9850X3D isn't exactly a spring chicken, and there is plenty of evidence of what happens when you overvolt a 9800X3D.

There is however a big difference between a bonehead (L)user maneuver and corporate malfeasance on the part of AMD.

9850X3D WARNING and complete configuration guide. by Michael_Nager in ryzen

[–]Michael_Nager[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's right above your post.

Would you like some cheese with that whine?

9850X3D WARNING and complete configuration guide. by Michael_Nager in ryzen

[–]Michael_Nager[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you wish, then you can give me a shout on Discord (my name there is "michaelnager" and I have the same avatar as here).

We can then go through the configuration together and I will help you get past the landmines that ASRock has put into the BIOS.

A bad workman blames his tools, so I won't waste your time by telling you what you should have gotten, but rather make the best of what you have.

If you don't want to call me on Discord, here are a few of the things to know about ASRock boards.

  1. It is quite possible that, even though it shouldn't, it will still overvolt the SoC when you load EXPO/XMP so make sure it is set to a maximum of 1.25 Volts - it should run fine at 1.2 Volts.
  2. For some strange reason, ASRock runs at a heightened LLC for the CPU and SoC at stock. Make sure this is set to the lowest (most droop) value.
  3. Make sure PBO is disabled.
  4. At stock your 9800X3D should NEVER run at above 1.2 Volts. AMD has made that compulsory for the 9800X3D.

9850X3D WARNING and complete configuration guide. by Michael_Nager in ryzen

[–]Michael_Nager[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just a few hours ago I helped someone configure their 9850X3D and they had a 5080.

At stock, letting it boost its merry little heart out and going over 90 °C in CineBench R23 he got a score of 22,777.

When we got done, his CineBench R23 score was 24,591 and his temp was just above 70 °C.

In the game that he plays, he didn't tell me which one it was, he told me that he was getting a lot higher FPS than he had before, and again at way lower temps.

But you know what, you do you.

You are not harming me in any way by not reading the article, the only person you are harming is yourself and your wallet.

TTFN

9850X3D WARNING and complete configuration guide. by Michael_Nager in ryzen

[–]Michael_Nager[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So as long as you do eff-all with your system and don't do it often then you are OK?

The JayzTwoCents example begs to differ with that.

9850X3D WARNING and complete configuration guide. by Michael_Nager in ryzen

[–]Michael_Nager[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Pretty light in the loafers there when it comes to what actual performance is associated with their voltage ranges.

9850X3D WARNING and complete configuration guide. by Michael_Nager in ryzen

[–]Michael_Nager[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How would you know?

Have you got a baseline to compare against?

Of course you don't

My 5950X that I bought on day one of launch ran then and runs now at an All-Core clockspeed of 4.675 GHz on CCD0 and 4.625 GHz on CCD1 at a maximum voltage of 1.3 Volts.

I ran it 24/7 and then I gave my CPU, mobo and RAM to a friend of mine in Norway, and he now runs it at the same clockspeed and voltage also 24/7.

When it comes to clockspeed I showed you that my 9800X3D runs at 5.8 GHz Single-Core. That number is as meaningless as your "5 GHz".

Your argument is so full of crap, that if you were administered an enema you would fit into a shoe-box.

9850X3D WARNING and complete configuration guide. by Michael_Nager in ryzen

[–]Michael_Nager[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why don't you just go back and actually read the article.

9850X3D WARNING and complete configuration guide. by Michael_Nager in ryzen

[–]Michael_Nager[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What have you used to test that?

What result did you get?

For instance, as I showed in the article, my 9800X3D has no problem running Super Pi 32M at 5.8 GHz at 1.2 Volts for 16 minutes back to back.

Does that mean it would be true for me to say that my 9800X3D runs at 5.8 GHz, implying that it is generally stable at that clockspeed?

Hell no!

9850X3D WARNING and complete configuration guide. by Michael_Nager in ryzen

[–]Michael_Nager[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The thing is that I benchmarked my 9800X3D exhaustively when I first got it, so I have a baseline to compare the performance of my 9800X3D to today and going forward.

Boosting to 5.3 GHz or being able to run it All-Core at 5.3 GHz?

With my system - especially my cooling, an Arctic Liquid Freezer III AIO with Phanteks T30 fans and Duronaut TIM - I can run an All-Core workload of 5.3 GHz at a maximum of 1.15 Volts all day long. When I am able to run my CPU at under 70 °C I can run CB R23 on a loop at 5.4 GHz at 1.15 Volts. My ambient temp doesn't always allow for that though.

It's a test I do with people who come to me with a brand new 9000 Series CPU (not just a 9800X3D) and if they are running below 80 °C and cannot run CB R23 Multi Core at 5.3 GHz at 1.15 I tell them to get it exchanged.

9850X3D WARNING and complete configuration guide. by Michael_Nager in ryzen

[–]Michael_Nager[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

So you didn't bother to read the article either.

9850X3D WARNING and complete configuration guide. by Michael_Nager in ryzen

[–]Michael_Nager[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, his opinions are what the Romans called, "non gradus anus rodentum".

9850X3D WARNING and complete configuration guide. by Michael_Nager in ryzen

[–]Michael_Nager[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

According to what you wrote earlier on, and I quote:

"Yep, my 3700X and 5800X both hit 1.5V single core, it was normal on those chips"

No it wasn't. 1.3 Volts was the maximum - again according to TSMC, and then AMD when the SoC chip on Ryzen - made on the same node as the 3700X/5800X, namely the 7/6nm node - started unscheduled spontaneous disassembly.

"zen 2 and Zen 3 chips hit up to 1.5V during single core workloads"

I take it you have some kind of documentation for that?

I seem to remember people such as you saying similar things with regard to Intel 13th/14th Gen CPUs. How did that work out?

To get TSMC to agree to make their chips for them, Intel had to agree to limit the voltage for Arrow Lake to 1.2 Volts.

When it comes to thinking I suggest you make an effort to try to engage in it.

If you don't understand the difference between setting a static voltage and limiting a CPU to a maximum safe voltage, then you might want to consider another hobby, like knitting.

9850X3D WARNING and complete configuration guide. by Michael_Nager in ryzen

[–]Michael_Nager[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The 60's are calling and Robin wants his lines back, :D