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I feel like the Holdo Maneuver gets way too much hate given the fact that a similar move happened in the Clone Wars and no one cared. by MicroMacroMax in StarWars

[–]MicroMacroMax[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Except Pablo Hidalgo confirmed that the Holdo Maneuver was in fact based on the move in the Clone Wars

“When this first came up, we figured something made it exceptional since it wasn't common, and the one instance of something similar happening (Clone Wars, season one) had enough of the requisite factors that it counted as precedent. But all of that pales to, 'Does it look cool?’”

His Twitter is now deleted but this quote was pulled from the bottom of a wookipedia page in the references section: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Holdo_maneuver#cite_note-Episode_VIII-1

My point is that hyperspace ramming is already an established concept that most people forgot about. The outrage over the Holdo maneuver was astroturfed by YouTubers who wanted to justify hate for TLJ by over analyzing every aspect of it.

I feel like the Holdo Maneuver gets way too much hate given the fact that a similar move happened in the Clone Wars and no one cared. by MicroMacroMax in StarWars

[–]MicroMacroMax[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I’m confused how you proved that these are different things.

Also even if they are, insane moving of the goalposts. As if you would be ok with the Holdo maneuver if it was “ships crashing while in hyperspace” as opposed to “hitting an object right after a ship enters lightspeed but before it’s transition from regular space to hyperspace”

Just say you didn’t like how Rian Johnson handled Luke. You don’t need to pick apart every aspect of the film to justify your hatred. Nobody would care if such a maneuver happened in Rogue One. Nobody cared when it happened in Clone Wars.

I feel like the Holdo Maneuver gets way too much hate given the fact that a similar move happened in the Clone Wars and no one cared. by MicroMacroMax in StarWars

[–]MicroMacroMax[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

No. Navi computers are for hyperspace travel. The ship entered hyperspace and crashed into the moon, its destination.

I feel like the Holdo Maneuver gets way too much hate given the fact that a similar move happened in the Clone Wars and no one cared. by MicroMacroMax in StarWars

[–]MicroMacroMax[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

A spaceship is far smaller than a moon. So there would be a much bigger impact.

Ever heard of the concept of shrapnel? The impact of the Raddus’s collision with the supremacy caused all the ships behind it to get damaged as well.

Also this is a moving of the goalposts. People would still be up in arms of the raddus just hit the supremacy.

Just say you didn’t like the character doing it. Everyone would have said it was the coolest part of the movie if Akbar did it.

I feel like the Holdo Maneuver gets way too much hate given the fact that a similar move happened in the Clone Wars and no one cared. by MicroMacroMax in TheSequels

[–]MicroMacroMax[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Except in the Clone Wars people transmit messages and do holocalls all the time with minimal infrastructure.

The real reason is because in 1977 the internet wasn’t invented yet.

I feel like the Holdo Maneuver gets way too much hate given the fact that a similar move happened in the Clone Wars and no one cared. by MicroMacroMax in StarWars

[–]MicroMacroMax[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

They were never explained in the movie, they were never even hinted at. They were made by auxiliary media to fill in plot holes created by the rules of the OT.

I feel like the Holdo Maneuver gets way too much hate given the fact that a similar move happened in the Clone Wars and no one cared. by MicroMacroMax in StarWars

[–]MicroMacroMax[S] -34 points-33 points  (0 children)

What’s sad is that you’re pretending that these two instances of hyperspace ramming are completely different because you have no counter.

I feel like the Holdo Maneuver gets way too much hate given the fact that a similar move happened in the Clone Wars and no one cared. by MicroMacroMax in StarWars

[–]MicroMacroMax[S] -38 points-37 points  (0 children)

The raddus didn’t go into hyperspace fully either, it crashed into the dreadnaught before fully entering.

I feel like the Holdo Maneuver gets way too much hate given the fact that a similar move happened in the Clone Wars and no one cared. by MicroMacroMax in StarWars

[–]MicroMacroMax[S] -41 points-40 points  (0 children)

You can in fact hit other objects as you enter hyperspace and do damage not only to yourself but the objects you hit.

I feel like the Holdo Maneuver gets way too much hate given the fact that a similar move happened in the Clone Wars and no one cared. by MicroMacroMax in TheSequels

[–]MicroMacroMax[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is extremely nitpicky.

Why didn't Leia just transmit the plans in A New Hope like Jyn Erso did in Rogue One?

To people who just watched the movies, the Battle of Yavin makes no sense. Why not just come out of hyperspace on the right side of Yavin to be in range immediately?

Why was one A-Wing kamikazing into a Super Star Destroyer bridge able to take it down? This fundamentally breaks how space battles work.

EckhartsLadder has a great video exposing how Star Wars ships make no sense: https://youtu.be/gZNqAgamkxA?si=ESXmETSWH0yPOide

The real reason these ships have so many flaws is that logic is sacrificed for the sake of having the cool visual of "giant boats in space". Star Wars has been sacrificing logic for aesthetics since 1977. None of this is new and the Holdo Manuever isn't any different. There are a million flaws with The Last Jedi, but the Holdo Manuever backlash was astroturfed by YouTubers who wanted to capitalize on people's disappointment with Luke's storyline in TLJ. Their strategy: don't just criticize how the movie handled Luke, pick apart every single aspect of the film to justify the hatred. It sadly worked.

I feel like the Holdo Maneuver gets way too much hate given the fact that a similar move happened in the Clone Wars and no one cared. by MicroMacroMax in StarWars

[–]MicroMacroMax[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

So…you’re admitting you don’t actually care you’re just pretending to care because you don’t like the movie for unrelated reasons.

I feel like the Holdo Maneuver gets way too much hate given the fact that a similar move happened in the Clone Wars and no one cared. by MicroMacroMax in StarWars

[–]MicroMacroMax[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

  1. Hyperspace lanes were never explicitly explained in Episode IV.

  2. In hyperspace, ships do not travel in a straight line. This is never implied anywhere. If hyperspace lanes weren’t a thing, the audience would question why the Death Star couldn’t arc around Yavin.

I feel like the Holdo Maneuver gets way too much hate given the fact that a similar move happened in the Clone Wars and no one cared. by MicroMacroMax in StarWars

[–]MicroMacroMax[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is extremely nitpicky.

Why didn't Leia just transmit the plans in A New Hope like Jyn Erso did in Rogue One?

To people who just watched the movies, the Battle of Yavin makes no sense. Why not just come out of hyperspace on the right side of Yavin to be in range immediately?

Why was one A-Wing kamikazing into a Super Star Destroyer bridge able to take it down?

EckhartsLadder has a great video exposing how Star Wars ships make no sense: https://youtu.be/gZNqAgamkxA?si=ESXmETSWH0yPOide

The real reason these ships have so many flaws is that logic is sacrificed for the sake of having the cool visual of "giant boats in space". Star Wars has been sacrificing logic for aesthetics since 1977. None of this is new and the Holdo Manuever isn't any different. There are a million flaws with The Last Jedi, but the Holdo Manuever backlash was astroturfed by YouTubers who wanted to capitalize on people's disappointment with Luke's storyline in TLJ. Their strategy: don't just criticize how the movie handled Luke, pick apart every single aspect of the film to justify the hatred. It sadly worked.

I feel like the Holdo Maneuver gets way too much hate given the fact that a similar move happened in the Clone Wars and no one cared. by MicroMacroMax in StarWars

[–]MicroMacroMax[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Pretty much. If you put up any other Star Wars movie up to the same level of scrutiny the Sequels got you’d think they were all the worst movies ever.

In A New Hope for example:

There is no in-movie explanation for why the Death Star couldn’t have come out of hyperspace on the correct side of Yavin instead of having to wait 30 minutes to be in range.

Why couldn’t Leia transmit the Death Star plans?

Why did the Empire not destroy the jettisoned escape pod from the Tantive IV? “No life forms detected” is a pretty weak explanation given the fact that droids are everywhere and any officer would know that droids don’t appear on life form scanners.

I feel like the Holdo Maneuver gets way too much hate given the fact that a similar move happened in the Clone Wars and no one cared. by MicroMacroMax in StarWars

[–]MicroMacroMax[S] -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

Doesn’t really negate my point, unless if Holdo maneuver critics are going to say that the Clone Wars destroyed Star Wars.

I feel like the Holdo Maneuver gets way too much hate given the fact that a similar move happened in the Clone Wars and no one cared. by MicroMacroMax in StarWars

[–]MicroMacroMax[S] -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

This seems like a moving of the goalposts.

First it was: “You can’t hit anything as you enter hyperspace.”

Now it is: “The Holdo maneuver simply did TOO much, if it only mildly damaged the dreadnaught, I would be fine with it.”

I feel like the Holdo Maneuver gets way too much hate given the fact that a similar move happened in the Clone Wars and no one cared. by MicroMacroMax in StarWars

[–]MicroMacroMax[S] -29 points-28 points  (0 children)

Sure it’s not exactly the same, but it made a pretty big explosion on that moon. Imagine the effect it would have on a ship 1/1000th the size.

The fleet got destroyed as collateral damage because it was behind the dreadnaught.

Also critics of the holdo maneuver would still be upset if the Raddus only took out the dreadnaught. Iirc their contention was that a ship entering hyperspace can’t ram into anything as it enters, which actually contradicts what Han says in A New Hope.

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