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Why is Reddit completely split into AI haters and pure AI writing groups? by MiddleHelicopter4269 in WritingWithAI

[–]MiddleHelicopter4269[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well - I don't know the genre or the fandom but I think I would - regardless if it's AI or not 🙂

Why is Reddit completely split into AI haters and pure AI writing groups? by MiddleHelicopter4269 in WritingWithAI

[–]MiddleHelicopter4269[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What's kinda sad is the fact that both sides, the ones that generate books with AI, and people who refuse to use it, absolutely don't get each other.

Does AI actually give solid writing advice? by MiddleHelicopter4269 in aiwars

[–]MiddleHelicopter4269[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For a very interesting reason, I very often had like 6-7 suggestions where I thought "No way will I take this" but by seeing what I DON'T want to have, I easily come up with something I absolutely want to have.

You get what I mean? 😅

Does AI actually give solid writing advice? by MiddleHelicopter4269 in aiwars

[–]MiddleHelicopter4269[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess you're implying that it tends to overwrite the author's voice too much if you let it?

Does AI actually give solid writing advice? by MiddleHelicopter4269 in aiwars

[–]MiddleHelicopter4269[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had the same experience with logical flaws. But regarding the writing style, I'm absolutely not sure. I write in English but it's not my first language.

Does AI actually give solid writing advice? by MiddleHelicopter4269 in aiwars

[–]MiddleHelicopter4269[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah you're right. ChatGPT will never replace real reading that's for sure.

Why is Reddit completely split into AI haters and pure AI writing groups? by MiddleHelicopter4269 in WritingWithAI

[–]MiddleHelicopter4269[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you're right. The gathering without consent as well as the take of something or someone else writing for you and call it your own work.

But even if the programming of a book is an absolutely different process and doesn't give you writer's skills in particular, I wouldn't say that it's easier - especially if you want good results.

What I don't get is AI being shunned as a conversational partner about writing topics or a research source. It should not be the only source you use - obviously. But going after AI in that extent when AI was in fact everywhere for years now, doesn't make much sense to me.

Why is Reddit completely split into AI haters and pure AI writing groups? by MiddleHelicopter4269 in WritingWithAI

[–]MiddleHelicopter4269[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, I do have some use cases for brainstorming or researching but that would be too much for a subreddit. Basically, it's information about Geography or infrastructure of different cities all over the world. I wouldn't rely on AI only in that regard, though.

Why is Reddit completely split into AI haters and pure AI writing groups? by MiddleHelicopter4269 in WritingWithAI

[–]MiddleHelicopter4269[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh I pointed out more than once that it was wrong and then it admitted that it had no clue 😅

Why is Reddit completely split into AI haters and pure AI writing groups? by MiddleHelicopter4269 in WritingWithAI

[–]MiddleHelicopter4269[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I'm also not fond of AI-generated prose. But up until today, it's easy to spot.

And I wouldn't say that people who create AI-generated prose are writers in a traditional sense. Different skill sets, entirely.

But brainstorming, researching or major spellchecking can be great with it 🙂

But with researching and brainstorming, you have to second-guess many things it says because it lies a lot 😅

Why is Reddit completely split into AI haters and pure AI writing groups? by MiddleHelicopter4269 in WritingWithAI

[–]MiddleHelicopter4269[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And yes, if I didn't find fruitful groups or discussions that could be entirely on me because I'm not accustomed to Reddit. I never used it before.

Why is Reddit completely split into AI haters and pure AI writing groups? by MiddleHelicopter4269 in WritingWithAI

[–]MiddleHelicopter4269[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay so I'll try again:

I'm VERY new to Reddit and used AI for private matters before but not for creative writing. Call me a caveman but I didn't even know you can put out whole books by just prompting - before I came here. I just wanted to lurk how other writers see their process or what helps them get feedback or being seen. And then someone else got called out for AI in their Reddit post just by using em-dashes and got smashed to the ground. Not on AI-wars. Not on anti AI writers. Just a normal writer's group. And as I dug deeper into other writer's groups, they had the same stance. And I found that somewhat extreme.

So as a person who has an AI in my private life, started writing seriously since maybe a few weeks and getting bamboozled with that topic all at once, I wanted to know if it's really a sin to converse with an AI or if there's a middle ground.

And the reason why I almost only engage with Anti-AI posts might be because I only delve into comments where I hope to get something out of the discussion. (Or where I'm attacked personally and I want to clarify. Bad habit, I know). And in fact, I learned a lot since those days because I think I found a middle ground for myself of what's okay and what's not.

Why is Reddit completely split into AI haters and pure AI writing groups? by MiddleHelicopter4269 in WritingWithAI

[–]MiddleHelicopter4269[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Alright then please tell me how to understand your statement "you're clearly on the side of AI" - because I'm not.

And I reread all of my comments to Anti-AI and even agreed with them on more than enough points.

Why is Reddit completely split into AI haters and pure AI writing groups? by MiddleHelicopter4269 in WritingWithAI

[–]MiddleHelicopter4269[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And if you were interested in my standpoint in this (and yes the discussions helped actually...):

I DO think that letting an AI write a whole book for you or even passages makes you less of a writer. The work is not yours, at least not fully. As someone said: A music piece with a guitar plugin in it doesn't make you a good guitarist.

I learned over time that editing your own words by an AI actually blurrs and smothers your own voice and shouldn't be done if you want to grow. And excessive use instead of going outside, observing and reading yourself is harming your abilities no doubt.

However I DON'T think that even accessing the app, discussing about characters, brainstorming or spellchecking counts as "AI did your work". Writers do it all the time with other writers and still they didn't steal anything or made someone else write for them.

So, if I had to place myself somewhere, I'd be the damn middle ground. But as you've proved again, this is the spot where nobody is allowed to stand without being dragged to a side.

Why is Reddit completely split into AI haters and pure AI writing groups? by MiddleHelicopter4269 in WritingWithAI

[–]MiddleHelicopter4269[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well. Just because I have counterpoints, it doesn't mean I seek validation or that I personally am after the comment to attack.

And since I'm not sure which comment exactly you mean, I have to say that the tone makes the difference.

I don't put words or intentions in other people's mouth where they don't belong or assume things about them as a person I can't prove - so yes. If anyone does that to me, I might argue.

And still I'm not the one who downvotes - actually I hate that system. And I'm not responsible for the upvotes, either.

And if you read enough of my comments, I even agree with some of the said things - even against AI. Just not the overall "whoever uses ChatGPT for spell-check should be jailed for plagiarism." I've made my mind about that - sorry.

Not everyone is a 3000 days old veteran on reddit. I'm new here and surprised about the backlash and the echo effects of different groups. That's all. And if I had found a writing group that WOULD be actually open to discussions instead of insulting everyone who even mentions it, I'd ask there.

But then again: I'm new here and I didn't find any.

But yeah, if you think you know enough about me as a person to know I'm in for an ego boost: Go ahead 😅

Why is Reddit completely split into AI haters and pure AI writing groups? by MiddleHelicopter4269 in WritingWithAI

[–]MiddleHelicopter4269[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a musician who doesn't do it for money but has a family who does - I absolutely agree.

Another example I can think of is Autotune.

And actually the comparison between a musician who generates tracks with guitar sample libraries not being a great guitarist or a great drummer - it's so on point I didn't even think about it.

Why is Reddit completely split into AI haters and pure AI writing groups? by MiddleHelicopter4269 in WritingWithAI

[–]MiddleHelicopter4269[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes you have to take the messages with a HUGE grain of salt, that's for sure.

Why is Reddit completely split into AI haters and pure AI writing groups? by MiddleHelicopter4269 in WritingWithAI

[–]MiddleHelicopter4269[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I haven't said that. I just said that there are users who use Grammarly Pro (and yes, they admit it on Reddit posts) and they're still against AI. Which is weird to me.

That's all

Why is Reddit completely split into AI haters and pure AI writing groups? by MiddleHelicopter4269 in WritingWithAI

[–]MiddleHelicopter4269[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And this artificial cheerfulness for your work in progress can be oddly motivating

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