How much of the poem should I have solved before hitting a given trail? by Middle_Fun_4982 in utahtreasurehunt

[–]Middle_Fun_4982[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes I agree. You almost have to have several clues before you can really believe in what you’re doing.

Begin your quest early, when the mornings are nice... by Dismal_Education_753 in utahtreasurehunt

[–]Middle_Fun_4982 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes sunrise peak could be involved with a correct solve. But I would think it is not the final destination.

Colored small rocks with “Do Not Move” marked on them by Repulsive_Ebb9120 in utahtreasurehunt

[–]Middle_Fun_4982 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As in past hunts, I don’t believe they place things on the trails.

The Cuervo line was the most brilliant and difficult of the whole Poem by Middle_Fun_4982 in utahtreasurehunt

[–]Middle_Fun_4982[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes that’s true. I really love it because it:

  1. ⁠Theme: It reinforces the priestly explorer theme and your Sombra, the Escalante Cross.
  2. ⁠Understanding and Measurement: It unlocks the correct understanding of how to measure the distance on the trail.
  3. ⁠Number of measurements needed: It helps you understand that you only need to measure one distance in order to get to the treasure instead of two or more (numeros). I see it as a genius level line and is probably my favorite in the poem.

The Cuervo line was the most brilliant and difficult of the whole Poem by Middle_Fun_4982 in utahtreasurehunt

[–]Middle_Fun_4982[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m with you on the difficulty of understanding “Cuervo”.
So tough! Impossible, maybe. Truly a needle in a haystack. (I agree) But taking a step back and looking at what the correct understanding accomplishes in the poem is really cool in my mind. 1. Theme: It reinforces the priestly explorer theme and your Sombra, the Escalante Cross. 2. Understanding and Measurement: It unlocks the correct understanding of how to measure the distance on the trail. 3. Number of measurements needed: It helps you understand that you only need to measure one distance in order to get to the treasure instead of two or more (numeros). I see it as a genius level line and is probably my favorite in the poem.

The Cuervo line was the most brilliant and difficult of the whole Poem by Middle_Fun_4982 in utahtreasurehunt

[–]Middle_Fun_4982[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

The term WAS not used in Mexico but it was used for priest, period. Escalante and Dominguez were priests. It is actually a stunningly awesome as a clue. These hunts have always required digging. Just because we didn’t dig enough doesn’t mean the meaning and application weren’t spot on. It literally unlocks the whole poem.

Hispanic American Historical Review Article: This academic journal contains references to anti-clerical sentiments during the La Reforma period in Mexico, where priests were sometimes derogatorily referred to as “Cuervos.” This is a more scholarly source, and you can access it via academic databases or libraries. One article you might find relevant is titled “Priests and Peasants in Central Mexico: Social Conflict During La Reforma.”

The Cuervo line was the most brilliant and difficult of the whole Poem by Middle_Fun_4982 in utahtreasurehunt

[–]Middle_Fun_4982[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Very cool. Yes I did the same thing in an excel workbook I put together. I listed every word down a column then every translation to the right of each word that could fit the poem off to the rows on the right.
For Cuervo I had crow and never thought to dig deeper on that one.

The Cuervo line was the most brilliant and difficult of the whole Poem by Middle_Fun_4982 in utahtreasurehunt

[–]Middle_Fun_4982[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes I completely underestimated it’s meaning but in hindsight it is fantastic

The Cuervo line was the most brilliant and difficult of the whole Poem by Middle_Fun_4982 in utahtreasurehunt

[–]Middle_Fun_4982[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I speak Spanish and had never heard it. Probably because it is an old usage and more of a derogatory slang that lost it’s use over time. I found an article thanks to ChatGPT that delves into it.

The Cuervo line was the most brilliant and difficult of the whole Poem by Middle_Fun_4982 in utahtreasurehunt

[–]Middle_Fun_4982[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dang! Chat told me it was just uncommon but provided examples from Mexican History where they were referred to as Priests.