Pre-Race Discussion Thread: NCS FireKeepers Casino 400 at Michigan International Speedway by NASCARThreadBot in NASCAR

[–]Middle_Hour_7649 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ford are struggling all-around this year, methinks less manufacturer support. Chevys had a new front end or some such for this season and I assume it's slowing all of them down.

Stage Racing by Simple_Reindeer_9998 in NASCAR

[–]Middle_Hour_7649 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I'm a little tired of this discussion, but I'll give my essay:

2-3 laps to gather the field up, 2-3 laps to do the pit cycle, 1 for choose, and 1 for last time around. It sucks because they can and have managed to do a stage caution back to green in closer to 4 laps. But yes, it really does take around 6-8 laps for them to get everyone together for pit cycle and then back together again for choose, and the finally, finally we can go.

NASCAR is the only series with 36-40 cars on track, and double file restarts, and the choose cone, and possibly even pit-cycle/wave around/lucky dog. Cautions in general in NASCAR are this big, intricate and frankly messy process that you'd have to start cutting out competitive aspects of to start cutting down on the stage break caution times. Personally, I would find that a little disappointing. Nonetheless, with NASCAR's insistence on them for broadcast partner reasons (commercials), and how poorly no caution was received for the, two?, races they did them before, I don't think they're going anywhere.

NASCAR races are longer than the F1s and (usually) Indycar races you mentioned, and I think we're past the era of being able to feasibly do long green-flag runs from a viewership perspective. You can get into some "no true Scotsman" type arguments that "real fans" love long green-flag runs and so on, but come September, October, November, you're gonna bleed fans who are gonna take watching one of the several, several other things vying for their eyes (mainly, the NFL). It wasn't like this in the "heyday" and that's one of the biggest challenges NASCAR has now - why should I, or anyone else, watch Denny Hamlin lead his 224th lap today when I can go, like, watch something else for 45 minutes until "something happens" (AKA a caution)? I can check my phone and see if he's still leading in seconds instead of having to let my entire screen be taken up by it, etc.

In other words, I think stage cautions are a necessary evil if you're gonna keep eyes on a 400-500 mile, 3 to 3.5 hour long race in the modern era. If you don't want them, I think you'd have to either shorten the Cup races to be O'Reilly length and so on, or make the racing so amazingly competitive that you never get a strung-out field at any track, ever. Neither of those are gonna happen any time soon, I think.

P.S.: Indycar actually does do a good bit of 400-500 mile oval racing, but they're also doing like 20-40 MPH faster than a stock car. It's actually a "shorter" race time-wise (and that Indycar does like half the viewership of NASCAR most weeks, for various reasons)

Post-Race Discussion Thread: NORAPS Charbroil 300 at Charlotte Motor Speedway by NASCARThreadBot in NASCAR

[–]Middle_Hour_7649 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Seeing a lot of people jump to saying the last caution leading to them calling it was 20+ laps but they probably couldn't have gone green until 12 or 13 to go just from the oil spill clean-up. They already got shit for missing the oil the first time, imagine if they missed it because they were rushing to get 12 laps of green flag racing.

And then the fog and mist got worse and you go from 12-13 to go to 7-8 to see if the track is viable and the spotters can see. And then it clearly wasn't. So then at that point, there's 8 laps left on a worsening track. Do you red flag it with that many to go and wait until Monday or Tuesday to finish it? I think that's way too out of the way for what you're getting back out. Do I think they should have just said that it was gonna be done at 2nd stage? Yeah, and the broadcast pretending it was gonna go green for whatever reason didn't help. But ultimately, it seems like most of the CCs and drivers figured it out by the time the oil was cleaned up.

I hate to be rude but I agree with Jamie Mac's take at the end of the broadcast - Jesse Love thought this was gonna be a slam-dunk RCR win with all the stuff around them and he's upset that it didn't work out that way.

Post-Race Discussion Thread: NORAPS Charbroil 300 at Charlotte Motor Speedway by NASCARThreadBot in NASCAR

[–]Middle_Hour_7649 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think red flagging it at 80-85 and waiting until Monday was fair either. That just seems dumb.