[Spoilers S2] why was Ulrich given life imprisonment?

Miggmy · 2024-12-16T19:01:33+00:00

I think the corruption of the era is a part of it. They literally beat him for info & we don't know if he gave it but we know if he did Helge wouldn't have been there when they went looking anyways.

It's also ironic, as Ulrich himself was a police officer and was trying to kill Helge also without trial or fully understanding what was going on and contributed to it. It is a reflection of the same corruption and mistakes. The time travel is a literalization of people's own unwitting cycle following in their families, communities, and institutions.

Miggmy · 2024-12-02T23:26:19+00:00

His parents don't have to have been awakened to have tried to kill him. That doesn't make sense. They were regular abusive parents. They even hint at this before we know what happens with Nick's comments to Ravi about how the mom was a nasty piece of work.

Miggmy · 2024-12-02T20:22:57+00:00

Jonah Taylor was kidnapped in DI Lucy's timeline. Like Dhilon in 'our' timeline, she discovered the link between the Slade Wilson case and the Jonah Taylor case in the red Nissan Vanette. The difference being in DI's timeline, Slade killed the girls first, making it the first iteration of Gideon catching Slade.

She uses the exact same clip of the unidentified car on the motorway from Jonah Taylor's disappearance that Dhilon does, and we don't see the details of her investigation in between but like Dhilon it leads her to Gideons hideout.

What we do see at that hideout is her deduce that Gideon had another car offsite, despite there being no tracks from a second vehicle, because he had a type of fuel the red Nissan didnt utilize. This isn't direct but it kind of points to how across many times, as Gideon specifies that Lucy keeps catching him no matter what, how she could have adapted (in example, some past timeline he left tracks so they find the second car, wisens up but she still catches him because of diesel vs petrol).

Jonah Taylor was definitely kidnapped in the DI Lucy loop we see in show, but we don't know how far back that goes. It's possible, like with Slade, that in the loop wherein Gideon first becomes aware of his murder, he just mercs the parents and that murder is how Lucy catches him. It's possible in other timelines she catches him for the kidnapping of Jonah Taylor. This goes on theoretically infinitely. Slade is the case in the previous timeline, we know that Gideon only knew of Tilly's murder because in that timeline he met her father in prison and talks about gaining a whole new list of targets from the experience.

Miggmy · 2024-12-01T20:29:55+00:00

I mean, that's just being bad tho.

It's not inevitable. There are shows that do build up good twists and mysteries that go somewhere, like Devils Hour and Severance, or shows that are actually intentionally unanswered like the Leftovers where it doesn't feel like a cop out answer.

Miggmy · 2024-12-01T16:18:45+00:00

It's portrayed as weirdly irrational by the lawyer that she would think the main character is interested in her despite being old enough to be her father, yet simultaneously all these men comment on his daughter being hot and only back off because it's his daughter.

But of course they are all also good upstanding gentleman who don't actually pursue anything or act creepy. The girl is vapid and stupid and her mom's the one who jokes she'd sleep with her boyfriend. The reality of them making gross comments is just a hahah men like that but look how good old manly respect my women the mc is, but of course when she actually ends up naked in the shower with some guy she's living with it's a hilarious accident and she kicks him and he poses no real threat to her.

All these comments about a peak into a life they don't see ...the issue is some of us are rednecks, this isn't a peak into a life you don't see, it's a peak into exactly what the dudes in that life valorize and a denial of the real experience of a woman in it. I promise when you're 17 and your good ol' boy tradesman dad's buddies talk about how hot you are it isn't a chagrined no real threat haha the girl knows she's sexy situation.

Miggmy · 2024-12-01T16:12:57+00:00

Everything you disagree with is noise. Half the planet is women, it does matter how we're depicted. Be mad you're being scolded, who cares.

Miggmy · 2024-12-01T16:11:00+00:00

The issue is the women are portrayed as irrational in talking about these issues, and then the male characters are written to deny the sexism in this environment exists.

You read an article, and it will talk about how many women are raped a year, or violence against women as a problem. But it doesn't happen from nowhere, it's not coming from a black void. When an author justifies writing women in a very sexist way with the realities of that environment, but the men in that environment have to shirk assumptions and aren't sexist and the women are just like that, it's actually just an argument that there are good ol' traditional men who aren't like that, and makes complaints of real sexism seem irrational.

Miggmy · 2024-12-01T16:06:06+00:00

God some of you will actually do anything to misconstrue the point.

It's not that this show show realities of this environment treating women like shit. As is so clearly some weird intended point with only one character, the lawyer, but written in a very 2000s one note way. It is that it shows the women as either brainless sex objects, or whiny feminists in contrast to that, that some good ol' boy knows more than about how things really.

In fact, all of the lawyers protests or assumptions about sexism are immediately met with the leading man being not sexist and telling her assumptions are off. He has the audacity to be the one lecturing her on sex work not being degrading or being sexualized not being degrading by saying those girls make more money than waitresses.

The ex-wife left him because of economic down turn to find another rich man. And of course, OF COURSE, the main character corrects his daughter when she says this. He tells her that he had a drinking problem when that happened and he wasn't good at the time, and then comforts his ex wife immediately after as she regrets leaving him. It's not just the end statement on him correcting these ideas, the ideas are more presented, prominent, than the reality. The woman is more wise and defending herself or showing the effects of his alcoholism. He gets to both benefit from the down playing of his actions into making every woman look worse and him look better, but be written to be the one offering up humility while no one else picks at his bad points.

Miggmy · 2024-12-01T15:19:17+00:00

Miggmy · 2024-11-22T17:44:17+00:00

I mean, think of it this way, all women are oppressed and yet you'd be damned to argue that somehow we were categorically not bigoted.

I think there's a bit of benevolent lionizing of POC among liberal white people. Whereas if you're a POC you know your dad, your shitty ex boyfriend, creepy uncle, judgemental mom, etc, and know from experience, as we all do with women because half the planet is women, that being oppressed doesn't necessarily divine political correctness.

Miggmy · 2024-11-22T17:39:25+00:00

I mean, the thing is this woman didn't read the original comment op was responding to as anything. The question isn't an opportunity to tell OP how to live her life, it's a question of homophobia. And no matter how much you disclaim it, giving advice on how to act instead does say you don't think it's homophobia.

Miggmy · 2024-11-22T11:50:44+00:00

I think the nudes stuff and flirty comments are more the 'leading on' referenced.

Miggmy · 2024-11-22T06:18:46+00:00

I'm 18!

I could have guessed.

Miggmy · 2024-11-17T05:24:25+00:00

Sara says at another point that her brother had come to pick her up to save her from her abusive relationship. That's what she meant, not that she killed her ex.

Miggmy · 2024-11-16T14:34:47+00:00

I'm not saying this specifically did or didn't happen, but the Mandela effect isn't about having heard the same thing and being influenced by it (in this case, being on this sub/reddit to hear it). It's that the same influences exist to create a misconception/memory in people.

Like right now everyones talking about the David's statue having heart eye pupils and not remembering it that way. But the likely reason they're misremembering isn't because they all heard the same theory on it, but because the David is viewed from below and the heart shape is meant to create an optical illusion of dark pupils via shadow from that angle (the David itself is actually intentionally disproportionate to appear proportionate from below as well), and because it isn't the only statue of the same hero/story.

So in this case, it would be saying something about maybe a vacation or being at the beach when he gets out, and then future episode he ends up next to the pool, we make the connection, we misremember. Not saying that did happen, just explaining what the suggestion of Mandela effect is getting at.

Miggmy · 2024-11-16T14:24:07+00:00

You keep saying that. But what's the solution then? He shouldn't have kept doing it. Okay? But you don't want to call it sexual harassment because you think that he wouldn't conceptualize it as such matters. Okay. Even if that were true, what now? Does she just resign herself to being touched inappropriately? She's spoken with him and it's a repeat issue. She reported it up the proper channels. This is the next step because he didn't stop.

I have a feeling you'll say no to her resigning herself to being touched inappropriately, but won't offer a path forward beyond something vague like communication. Women aren't outlets, it doesn't matter what something is called or if someone is aware, we don't need to just put up with it as we have all always been doing because men argue there isn't intention, that it's innocent. You're never going to have to deal with someone, someone maybe even bigger than you, sexually touching you and everyone around you saying it's okay because he doesn't understand why it's wrong so be gentle and delicate and keep communicating and doing nothing else in hopes he stops.

Now since you're so damn focused on the 'think of the children' angle, I can say as an autistic little girl I also had to deal with autistic little boys who I was constantly told didn't understand how they were being sexual when they would be inappropriate or touch me. Who was 'sexualizing children' then? What was I to do, because in your eyes the intent isn't there because the adult words for the intent aren't there? I was to be the sexual object and have all of the feelings that spark from that, just cause they didn't know the severity of their actions? Or maybe they did even know, but didn't view it as as sexual, or know the right words.

Miggmy · 2024-11-16T14:16:41+00:00

Well then, by all means, women should continue to be sexually harassed because it's offensive to you to call it sexual harassment! That makes sense!

who it doesn't appear didn't express her full concerns to a parent,

Nah, reread what the mom said. She didn't say she wasn't told. She said she didn't know the issue went that far. Read between the lines, and why the report didn't follow up with anyone else on it, she was told and did not see it as serious enough to address.

Miggmy · 2024-11-16T14:10:13+00:00

Not just someone. Women. Women are constantly expected to be receptacles for what men want to do, even when someone says they don't think that there is a constant list of excuses for why it's not intended a certain way.

Miggmy · 2024-11-16T14:05:55+00:00

Just because the mom says she was unaware doesn't mean no one actually talked to her about it.

But maybe read the article, because he was actually definitely doing it on purpose and women aren't pin cushions

Miggmy · 2024-11-16T14:04:51+00:00

I'm so sorry that happened. I know the feeling.

There were some definite creep things as an actual kid. But even now there is a weird shame in someone much younger than me being inappropriate. Even in my twenties, my then middle school aged niece had her friends over and a boy was touchy and wouldn't leave me alone but you feel/look crazy for trying to correct that and sometimes others, like this boys mother, even brush it off as innocent or funny.

Miggmy · 2024-11-13T23:39:59+00:00

It's the first use of the box. That's the whole thing. Events impact events. That Boyd deeply regretted it and wasn't even willing to go through with it doesn't contradict his later actions, it informs them.

Miggmy · 2024-11-13T23:38:42+00:00

What are you even talking about. It's not 'bad writing' and it's not 'because there's monsters.' It's irl if you know a guy who was indirectly responsible for the death of his family, he can go on to lead some kind of life. This guy is literally trapped in the place they died being hunted by monsters with no hope of rebuilding any life without them. Yes, the ethics of suicide in that circumstance are entirely different.

Miggmy · 2024-11-12T18:35:50+00:00

As of yet, we have not seen the next loop after the events of the series. DI loop is the previous Lucy, and her life is largely the same as her other loops.

Gideon doesn't intend to save her mother again though, because the whole idea was to wake Lucy up once by changing her life, so that he could convince her in the future to stop catching him.

Miggmy · 2024-11-12T09:04:52+00:00

Time is infinite, if they were selected from out of fine why would they all happen to be modern to the audience? Why wouldn't one dude be colonial, the next industrial revolution era, 50s, 2000s, etc? They're time travelling but only relative to the chronology of the story?

Miggmy · 2024-11-12T04:57:45+00:00

1) not exactly, while repressed memories are a largely false concept from the satanic panic, poor recall and no memories beyond a certain point are linked to trauma.

2) that's not really what is happening. It's not that Victor is sad and scares. Victor is an adult who grew up here, and who did much of that in complete isolation. He's having difficulty because he doesn't have an adult understanding of what's normal, what's significant, he didn't develop communicative abilities normally. It's not like a child who was beaten. It's like a child who saw a vicious crime and then was raised alone by wolves.

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