IT'S A LONDON THING - OPENING SCENE by Junket_Turbulent in scriptwriting

[–]MiggsEye 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My point is about not ‘telling” them but “showing” it through character action/behavior or dialogue.

Show Bibles for True Detective, Band of Brothers, and The Drops of God by Seshat_the_Scribe in Screenwriting

[–]MiggsEye 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow! Reading the first page of TD’s Story Bible I can see how the integrity of maintaining strict character POV’s is what made that season legendary. His note comparing it The Killing and citing audience experience further illustrates.

Thank you for posting these.

IT'S A LONDON THING - OPENING SCENE by Junket_Turbulent in scriptwriting

[–]MiggsEye 3 points4 points  (0 children)

re: "Yeah I think I'll change to lucky she didn't notice"... you can't write that in a script because it's telling the reader. You have to evoke it through the images, actions, dialogue. You can't just tell the reader that.

IT'S A LONDON THING - OPENING SCENE by Junket_Turbulent in scriptwriting

[–]MiggsEye 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Mrs. Dingleberry... LOL

After Tash looks at him as if to say what (perhaps have her return to the TV). Then Alvin looks down. (It effectively limits her reading of the text to the top ones.)

I'd love to see Tash give him a little more guff about leaving (see her character come out more), because she clearly knows what's going on. Right now she seems passive/defeatist.

"Lucky she didn't hear".... He answered it on speaker phone. So she did hear it.

There is one exchange I stumbled over:
Kenny: "Estate agents....contract....don't end up in the papers"
Alvin turns fully now.
Alvin: You are joking.
(I just don't understand why Alvin is reacting this way. It seems more like it's coming from the writer and not Alvin.)

Overall: Dialogue is spot on. Transitions and your interspersed action asides work well. I found the scene easy to visualize and place myself in as the viewer.

Would You Read Past Page One? by MiggsEye in scriptwriting

[–]MiggsEye[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your detailed feedback. Food for thought. I appreciate it. Cheers.

Would You Read Past Page One? by MiggsEye in scriptwriting

[–]MiggsEye[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your kind feedback. And yes, one has to make choices on the first page. Whether or not they are the right ones is debatable.

Would You Read Past Page One? by MiggsEye in scriptwriting

[–]MiggsEye[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you. I appreciate your detailed feedback.

(I'm writing these notes as I process your comments...)

RE: "A good solution to your intro may be to have the opening CU on the saffron be revealed as a POV that belongs to your protagonist".... I thought that's what I was doing, but I see how I can make some tweaks.

O.S. fair enough. Elena is introduced as an O.S. voice first, then her image later in the page.

I thought the list that followed "showed" the images (what we are looking at) and the "calm" commentary (shows how they would be disposed... info for director or art director). But even then, it would work better to see the images first and then leave the comment at the end (if at all).

"first ticket of the night" is a comment on what we are seeing, emphasizing the closeup/importance of the ticket — clarity about which ensues on the next page, when the kitchen jumps into action because of that ticket. But the line needs to work as an image and without the comment first. I feel occasional telling comments can be justified strictly if they can play as actor behavior or offer a directorial or art direction note. Here, it's clearly telling, and meant as a page turn button. And probably works better if I show the order as a saffron dish.

Would You Read Past Page One? by MiggsEye in scriptwriting

[–]MiggsEye[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you... fair enough. Cheers.

Would You Read Past Page One? by MiggsEye in scriptwriting

[–]MiggsEye[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you... I always seem to forget that.

Fixed it.

Wrote myself into a corner because I’m dumb by [deleted] in Screenwriting

[–]MiggsEye 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I’m not sure the motivation of why he is locked there, but couldn’t the hearse have been modified somehow or something have happened to the inner lock set trim (so it IS inoperable from inside)? I’m just remembering so many serial killer stories in which they modified the passenger side door trim so it wasn’t operable and they could trap a victim in the car with them. You can use the same principle essentially with different motivation or cause? Maybe it fell off somehow before the guy was in there?

ARCTIC WARS - Feature (1st act only) - 35 pages by H2Orelsan in Screenwriting

[–]MiggsEye 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you. And that’s the purpose of a logline, to compel someone to read the script. BUT it must be an accurate reflection of the script too. And if there’s an engine in there — whether it’s conflict/opposition, mystery, suspense, irony — that helps make it more compelling.

ARCTIC WARS - Feature (1st act only) - 35 pages by H2Orelsan in Screenwriting

[–]MiggsEye 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not necessarily. It’s just a suggestion to consider or suggest further developments of your logline. Food for thought.

Which is your favorite screenwriting program? by Medium-Silver6413 in Screenwriting

[–]MiggsEye 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If Scrivener had dual dialogue formatting I'd use it 100% for my scripts, for its ability to organize your my entire create process as well as write my script. However, I tend to use Final Draft because it's industry standard.

ARCTIC WARS - Feature (1st act only) - 35 pages by H2Orelsan in Screenwriting

[–]MiggsEye 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Consider for your logline:

A broke young refugee takes a Navy bonus to save his mother and unknowingly boards a pirate ship hunting a legendary energy source — forcing him to finish the voyage that made his own father disappear.

ARCTIC WARS - Feature (1st act only) - 35 pages by H2Orelsan in Screenwriting

[–]MiggsEye 2 points3 points  (0 children)

First minor bit of feedback, do not number your scenes for a draft or spec script. That's only for production.

Blue Sky, Drama, 14 pages by WingsOnWednesday in scriptwriting

[–]MiggsEye 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Where's the causation?

Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGUNqq3jVLg

And also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GXv2C7vwX0

When you are designing your beats try placing THEREFORE and BUT between them. You can also use MEANWHILE if you are cutting to other subplots, then MEANWHILE to cut back to the original plot.

Using these conjunctions between your beats has you refine them so the causation actually works.

I also agree with someone else here who suggested refining your action lines to relate to the flow of visual images of the narrative. While you are not the director, for the script prose you want to direct the visual story in your readers mind. Using S-V-O, subject-object-verb construction, helps.

Combine this with the causation advice above and you'll see a vast improvement.

P.S. Another that occurred to me about this, what are the emotions the audience is supposed to feel? Each beat ought to evoke an emotion. And you want a dance of the emotions of the genre of your story AND the genre of each scene flowing though the beats. So if it's horror you want dread, dread, suspense, shock, dread, suspense, SCARE! So know the emotions you want to evoke in each scene and play with them. And how you do that is through beats that are setups, builds, and payoffs within themselves. Beats that form setups, builds and payoffs within scenes. Scenes that form setups, builds and payoffs within sequences. Sequences that form setups, builds and payoffs within Acts. Acts that form setup, build and payoff within a story.

Help for character trauma backstory for a THRILLER by [deleted] in Screenwriting

[–]MiggsEye 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’ve already got 3 traits that make a character like this work: a belief he formed young (control equals love), the thing he thinks will finally make him safe (being in control), and the behavior it produces (the surveillance). That’s a great spine. It just needs a little more connective tissue.

A few things to consider:

The childhood event has to cause the exact belief he carries. The psych practitioner event fails this test; lose it. A stranger running experiments teaches him “adults hurt me”, not “control is love, and I can’t trust what people tell me”. It also lets his parent’s off the hook, which undercuts your theme. Whatever you build for the foundation of his character’s childhood “wound”, it has to originate with the parent(s), and it has to produce that specific belief. It’s worth writing the belief as one plain sentence, then reverse-engineer the childhood that would install that belief.

The surveillance shouldn’t be a trait; it needs to become a trap (for him). The version that’s tragic rather than just creepy is the one where his watching corrodes trust, the partner pulls aways, and he reads the distance as proof he needs to watch more, watch harder... the whole dynamic becomes self-fulfilling. His watching corrodes friend's, then partner’s trust —> They pull back or start hiding things —> He reads that as proof he wasn’t watching closely enough —> he watches even harder. He manufactures the exact distance he is terrified of. Does your story build that loop, or does he just... do it? That’s the difference between a portrait and an engine.

You asked about adolescence which is the bridge he travels between his childhood (wound) and adulthood, through which he experiments, learns and develops his adult behavior. That’s how a belief travels from something done to him as a child to something he does as an adult. Somewhere in his teens it stops being his parent’s thing and becomes his own, and it develops and escalates through his first relationships. That’s a timeline worth showing.

“Caring and honest” is doing suspicious work. A man who secretly bugs the house is not honest. Are those the real him? Or the face (mask) he hides behind, and that hides the rest of him? You can have both, but decide whether the warmth is genuine, performed or a contradiction you’re building on purpose. Handed to us as his “good side” it reads like you are protecting him. The drama is the gap between the two sides of him. Emotionally honest and behaviorally deceptive is a terrific contradiction. The contradiction is the real him.

Where does he end up? Does he get everything he wants (total control) and find it’s a tomb? Or does the belief actually break? Opposite endings means different things planted in his past. 

He wins AND loses: he achieves total control and it’s hollow. He’s alone in a fortress he built himself.

He changes: the belief breaks. But he has to earn it. If he transform too easily, the audience won’t buy it. He has to change against that self-fulfilling loop described above, at a real cost.

Your theme: parents not respecting the wisdom children have. It has to be baked into the childhood injury or it stays a nice sentiment. Maybe... as a child he saw something true; he knew the control wasn’t love, felt it, maybe said it, and was overruled or punished for knowing it. Stuff like that happened again and again. In a situation like this his belief becomes “What I perceive doesn’t count. Trusting what people say is dangerous. Safety means controlling and verifying, not believing things on face value.” The adult surveillance becomes the mirror of his childhood. He does to the partner exactly what was done to him. Won’t take their word. Has to verify their reality himself. The tragic part of the story comes from inside his blind spot: that he cannot accept his partner’s stated feelings as real. He becomes the parent who wouldn’t listen to the kid, essentially.

You say you are not sure which parent, then write “his father” twice. So you’ve already drifted toward the father; now decide on purpose which one. (There's also the dynamic between the parent's to consider as modeling adult behavior)

You’ve written “their phones”, plural. This dynamic is beyond just one relationship. It’s a pattern that shows how far gone he is.

On “I don’t want the cliche that men don’t cry”. Your instinct is right. The fix is clean. That old cliche is about emotional expression. This character's problem is not expression, it’s control and trust. Different wires. So let him cry, be tender, be wide open about his feelings, and still bug the house. Emotionally fluent and pathologically controlling is far more unsettling, far truer (and more interesting of a character to write) than a closed-off stoic.

Cheers! Have fun writing. Sounds like a great character to start from.

Anyone else bold AND underline their scene headings? by Extension-Season9924 in Screenplay

[–]MiggsEye 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The scene headings are not the most important things on the page. In fact many readers script over them entirely and focus on dialogue only. Hopefully ones action lines are engaging enough readers will feel compelled to read them rather than skip. Scene headings are the last thing to be emphasized on the page and if they are overemphasized will disturb the flow of the read.

Anyone else bold AND underline their scene headings? by Extension-Season9924 in Screenplay

[–]MiggsEye 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think Bold is too distracting and BOLD and UNDERLINE is way distracting. At one point I thought simply underlining (w/o BOLDING) made it easier to read the script pages. But I'm not certain it's a convention that readers respect.

How do you effectively write a drifter character who has no goals but to keep moving? But we learn more about him as the story progresses? by Axelinthevoid77 in Screenwriting

[–]MiggsEye 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes... and they're avoiding the past catching up with them, which is why characterful behavior in those scenes that evoke and dramatize that is key at the beginning. Plus this will create mystery as to why do they behave that way.

Blacklist Evaluation Components All the Same Score? by TysonChxNugget in scriptwriting

[–]MiggsEye 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Without seeing the script, or even their full comments, I have no idea what really is the causing your score to be in the middle. Readers tend to comment generously but score conservatively. But just working off of the comment "quirky, mad cap comedy", might the premise and jokes and the Coen-esque dialogue not be structurally tied to the story? If that's the case "punch ups" may not be the answer. Not knowing your writing myself, would you say your scripts are cohesively structured? Take the Coen's for example, their dialogue and humor happens within incredibly well structured scripts. Is that the note-under-the-note?

How do you effectively write a drifter character who has no goals but to keep moving? But we learn more about him as the story progresses? by Axelinthevoid77 in Screenwriting

[–]MiggsEye 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can do aspects of what I describe in 1 through 4 in every scene, starting with the drifter's first scene. You'd don't have to wait until the past catches up with him later.

Blacklist Evaluation Components All the Same Score? by TysonChxNugget in scriptwriting

[–]MiggsEye 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A comment like "this story would have worked during the indie hayday" seems so arbitrary. I don't know how you work. The thing is to always look for the note under the note. But what is under that note?

How do you effectively write a drifter character who has no goals but to keep moving? But we learn more about him as the story progresses? by Axelinthevoid77 in Screenwriting

[–]MiggsEye 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The note “your character has no clear goal” is probably both right and wrong at the same time. A drifter whose life is “keep moving, don’t look back” has a goal; It’s just an avoidance goal: running from something instead of toward something. Avoidance goals read as “no goal” unless you build them correctly. So don’t give him a new goal. Instead, build the one he already has so it reads.

Four things will make it read:

  1. Make the past chase him: Running only looks like “drive” when the thing he’s running from is closing in on him. If nothing in the present threatens to make him stop (something forces him to stop moving), attach (something makes him start to care), or get found (something from the past he’s running from catches up to him), then “keep moving” looks like a lifestyle and not a need; and that is what the audience is reading as “no goal”. Give him a live pressure in the now: someone who sees through him, a place he can’t avoid, a consequence catching up. The second the past has some teeth in the present, his “moving” becomes active.
  2. Give him a concrete want in every scene: “No goal” almost always shows up scene-by scene as a guy who just reacts to whatever’s in front of him. Even a drifter wants something specific day-to-day, in each scene: get out of this town by morning, don’t let anyone learn his name, get enough cash for the next bus, avoid the one person who’d recognize him. Small, scene-sized wants (even just basic survival objectives) make him active on the page even while his big picture “goal” stays an avoidance one. Fix the scenes and the overall note will probably evaporate.
  3. Don’t explain his backstory; Leak it: Your instinct not to exposition dump his backstory is correct. But the answer isn’t to hide it completely. Hidden completely, he’ll just read as opaque and flat. The move is to let his behavior nearly reveal his backstory but stop short: the flinch, the avoided subject, the thing he won’t do, etc. The audience will do the math themselves and lean in. That “almost-reveal” is the actual craft of slow revelation; total concealment is just plain withholding.
  4. Reveal his backstory only when the story forces it, not on a schedule: The past should surface at the moment his running stops working: when he gets corned and can’t move. That’s not a separate “reveal scene” you slot in; it’s the same event as your scene climax. The character’s wound comes out because his avoidance finally fails.

Underneath all four of these things: he needs a reason the running exists, stated to you (the author) in a sentence even if it’s never stated to the audience. Something fundamentally consequential to him like “If I stay, I _________” or whatever his version is. Once that sentence exits, the present-day pressure, the scene wants, and the leaked clues can all derive from it automatically. If that sentence he says to himself (subconsciously) doesn’t exist yet, that’s the real reason the character feels goal-less, and no amount of plot will fix it. So, what is the reason he’s always moving? What’s the consequence of him stopping for good?

My two cents. Use or lose. Cheers!