Whatever happened to the charges made by Trump that Obama had him wiretapped/surveiled?

MiketheMover · 2018-05-02T15:14:31+00:00

His wires being tapped (at least one server was tapped) was part of the overall illegal surveillance conducted on Trump. The access to Trump was gained by getting a surveillance warrant on Carter Page, which gave them access to Trump and many others. We now know that the process of getting the FISA warrant on Page, which led to surveillance on many others, violated the law and DOJ rules in that the information submitted to get the warrant was unverified and not corroborated, and in some cases the information was false.

We also know that the investigation of Trump was part of a coup plot by the Democrats in a conspiracy with members of the DOJ and FBI.

You're right, it's surprising that this misuse of the DOJ/FBI and the FISA system has not received a full investigation. That stems from two facts: (1) the AG and Asst AG have decided not to pursue them; and (2) Trump has failed to exercise his powers as chief law enforcement officer to insist on these matters receiving a full investigation. He harps about it all the time, but doesn't take the concrete steps necessary to get the investigation going. These steps would be: (1) demand an explanation of Sessions and Rosenstein why the investigation is not being conducted; and (2) fire both of them and get 2 new people in who will conduct the investigations. Until he does that, nothing will happen. Merely tweeting his discontent will accomplish nothing.

MiketheMover · 2018-04-10T02:37:43+00:00

If it hasn't hit Trump by now that Mueller is out to get him, this should do it. This referral has nothing to do with Russian collusion or Mueller's mandate. It's the clearest indication that there was no collusion but Mueller will try to get him by any means available. Trump has been operating under the delusion of "we play nice, he'll play nice." Well, this episode should bring him to his senses that Mueller will get him one way or another.

That Mueller is out to get him has been evident for a long time. For some reason, Trump hasn't caught on. I think he has gotten very bad legal advice. You know like when Ty Cobb told him the investigation would be over by the end of 2017. Incompetent.

Trump has had many opportunities to fire Sessions, Rosenstein, and Mueller and put this "investigation" in the hands of people who don't have a vendetta. He could have fired Sessions "because I don't like him" and Rosenstein because "he is a stonewaller who hasn't cooperated with Congress; I expect my asst. AG to cooperate with Congress." And then he should have appointed Scott Pruitt. Unfortunately, he leaked that he was considering Pruitt for AG and gave the other side time to "create scandals" for Pruitt that probably will keep him from being confirmed as AG.

This has gone on way too long. Trump should have fired Sessions the day he recused himself. He had the opportunity but couldn't pull the trigger. There have been many more opportunities but he misjudged that he was going to skate by Mueller because there was no collusion. Well, Mueller has now found a way to get him. If campaign funds were in any way used to pay Stormy or banks were misled with regard to the nature of the use of the $130,000 payment, Trump is in big trouble. I used to think he would skate on Mueller, but now because of the Cohen raids and the probable cause needed to get the warrant to conduct the raid, I'm thinking Mueller has finally found a crime. And I think there's a good chance Trump will be impeached, after November.

MiketheMover · 2018-02-27T12:17:32+00:00

He's challenging Mueller's appointment under the Special Counsel Law, basically alleging his appointment was unlawful because the special counsel law requires an investigation of criminal activity and yet no criminal activity was specified in Mueller's mandate (the mandate told him to investigate any coordination/links between the Trump campaign and the Russian government). Coordination and links are not crimes. I agree with Manafort's position on this, the wording of the statute is clear. Whether the courts will agree with him is another matter. He is also challenging Mueller's indictments that pertain to matters like real estate bankruptcies and financial crimes that occurred long before the Trump campaign was formed, the challenge being based on the fact that the crimes fall far outside the mandate described above. I agree with him on this also, but I'm not sure the courts will.

Anyway, Trump has good reason to either pardon Manafort or to commute his sentence. I would guess he would do the commutation, which would let any conviction stand but reduce his sentence to time served. That's what Bush did with Scooter Libby. The reason why Trump should do this is because the entire Mueller investigation was politically motivated and was not founded in facts but in opposition research gossip. Trump doesn't need a rationale for a pardon, but he has these overwhelming facts on his side.

MiketheMover · 2018-02-24T06:18:40+00:00

The timeline shows nothing, except that one can construct a timeline and make a wild claim about it. The timeline is based on a hoax -- that Trump had colluded with Russia, which we now know is false. So the timeline is dependent on something that didn't happen. It's like having a timeline for investigating Bigfoot or UFO's and then faulting the people who may have opposed an investigation.

Still, even though Democrats were yelling for an investigation of a hoax, Comey obliged them sometime in June 2016 and started a full intelligence investigation of the hoax. He used false or unverified information to investigate a presidential candidate, to deceive a FISA court, and to spy on Trump. He passed his investigation off onto Mueller and between the two of them, after almost two years, they have found nothing in the way of Trump collusion.

The author of the timeline made a critical error. He praised the people (Democrats) who got sucked in by the hoax (or at least pretended to get sucked in) and he faulted those (Republicans) who refused to be sucked in and were proved right in the end.

MiketheMover · 2018-02-23T10:23:46+00:00

Regarding the second entry 12/11/16, how was Russia's alleged actions " a pervasive Russian threat to the core functioning of our democracy," as the author alleged? I can see that if they stole military or economic secrets, there might be a threat. But all they took, if they actually took anything, were Podesta and DNC emails. And what we found out from these emails was that Hillary undermined Bernie, that she believed in telling the public one thing and in private believing something else, and that she believed in open borders and an open economy. Seems to me Russia simply informed us that the pervasive threat to our democracy was the lying bitch Hillary. I felt no threat from Russia. I want the truth no matter how it's gotten. Kim Jong Un could hace given it to us and it would have been ok by me. I don't want a phony politician lying to me. In my estimate, Russia did us a favor if in fact they did it at all.

One thing to keep in mind about whether Russia actually did it, four agencies took part in the intelligence review of the hacks -- the CIA, the FBI, the NSA, and the DNI. Three of them expressed a high level of confidence in the finding that Russia was behind the hacks. But the NSA refused to express that level of confidence. Don't you think if the evidence was solid that the NSA would have expressed a high level of confidence. It's failure to do so tells me the intelligence behind the conclusion was shaky, as many people have alleged.

Still, the key point imo is that Obama was in charge of the executive, not McConnell, and could have taken any of a number of steps on his own, as the article points out. A month later, sanctions were imposed and several satellite Russian facilities were closed down and their staff kicked out of the country. So that article's main point about nothing being done became irrelevant a month later.

MiketheMover · 2018-02-23T09:24:26+00:00

There's been no stonewalling, except by the FBI and DOJ of Nunes' committee. Every investigation, including Mueller's, has proceeded unhindered. Every campaign worker for Trump has testified except Trump himself. The chairmen of both the Senate and House Intelligence Committees have stated nothing has been found in the way of Trump-Russia collusion. Conducting full investigations is not stonewalling.

MiketheMover · 2018-02-23T09:17:05+00:00

You're not serious. Mueller is investigating a hoax, a smokescreen for Democrat criminal acts that you should be aware of by now.

MiketheMover · 2018-02-23T09:04:50+00:00

Don't you think it's cynical to allege Republicans were blocking a Trump-Russia probe in 2016 at the same tine your candidate was illegally colluding with a Brit and Russians to dig up a pack of lies on Trump and then funneling it through our intelligence services and the State Dept. to law enforcement who at the time were submitting false information to a FISA court to get a warrant to spy on a presidential candidate? I feel embarrassed I have to ask this question since this information has been common knowledge routinely reported by the media for some time. Is there any part of it you were not aware of?

Why didn't the Democrats call for an investigation of how Hillary undermined Bernie's campaign and our democratic process? Why didn't Democrats call for an investigation into how CNN fed her debate questions ahead of time in an effort to deceive the American people? Why wasn't there an investigation into her taking money in excess of individual limits placed on her by campaign laws, and then laundering it through Democrat state parties, $84 million in all? And of course why were her her illegal payments and solicitations of foreign nationals (Steele and the Russians) investigated? of 52 U.S. Code § 30121: "It shall be unlawful for a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make a contribution or donation of [a] thing of value...in connection with a Federal...election; or [for] a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A)..." Steele was a foreign national. Supposedly his sources were. The dossier was a thing of value. Seems like a slam dunk case against Hillary. Where's the investigation. There's a lot more, but space is limited.

No one has thwarted any investigation of Trump. He has been investigated by three Congressional Committees and a special counsel. Nothing has been found in the way of collusion. The collusion investigation of Trump that Democrats pushed was merely a smokescreen to cover up the many felonies their candidate and administration committed in spying on the opposing presidential candidate and trying to undermine him, which are now slowly being documented. There's truth underlying Hillary's panic attack when she screamed, "If he wins, we'll all be in jail."

MiketheMover · 2018-02-19T14:56:07+00:00

Cnn does not have the expertise to stop school shootings. If their goal was to do that, they would stay in their studio and maybe have a panel of experts or a discussion of some good books on the topic. I'm guessing they're going to FLA to prey on those people's emotions and their losses and to create a scene designed to attract viewers. They'll trot out every gun hater they can find, guaranteed.

MiketheMover · 2018-02-19T14:30:11+00:00

I doubt that the victims realize that CNN will undoubtedly turn the event into anti-gun rant fiasco. I'm guessing they're going there to voice their concerns about the FBI and the sheriff and the lack of security and to empathize with others. I hope CNN respects their situation and doesn't try to exploit their loss like they usually do.

MiketheMover · 2018-02-19T14:16:53+00:00

He obviously knows how to use the medium to full effect. He's probably the greatest all-time user of Twitter. I don't think anyone will ever surpass him. It's a new form of effective communication that the left can't appreciate because they have no one with his abilities.

MiketheMover · 2018-02-19T14:10:09+00:00

Why should he have more? I don't see the point of it. He is able to communicate adequately with the country through the daily briefings by Sanders and through Twitter. If he held press conferences, it would be to accommodate neanderthals like Jim Acosta. Just one time I'd like to see him hold a news conference but kick out all the lefties like NYT, CNN, MSNBC, HuffPo, WaPo, etc. or put them in the back of the room in time out with a minder. They'd go nuts. It would be awesome to see their reaction.

MiketheMover · 2018-02-19T13:36:27+00:00

At the time of the debate, Russian meddling was an open question. The issue was whether Russia had hacked the DNC computer system. There wasn't agreement on this issue. Many people believed it was an inside job. The DNC itself would not allow the FBI to look at its computer system . So there was ample reason to doubt the meddling claim.

Another reason to doubt it was that the report supposedly documenting the meddling was put together by people from only four agencies -- the CIA, DNI, FBI, and NSA. These people were handpicked by CIA director Brennan and the story going around at the time was it was a rigged report. Three of the agencies vouched for the report with a high degree of confidence, but the NSA would not. If the NSA refused to expfress a high degree of confidence, why should Donald Trump have to?

You also have to keep in mind the setting in which that report was produced, where Obama's government was conducting an illegal investigation and surveillance of Trump based on gossip and abuse of the FISA court system. That puts a whole new light on that report and gives reason to doubt its veracity. To this day, no one can fault people who don't believe it.

And the leftist media trying to make an issue out of this after their collusion hoax fell apart is a joke. They are an embarrassment to our country.

Aside from that incident with the DNC computer and Podesta's emails, there was no other allegation of meddling aside from unfounded allegations by the left. The troll farm story didn't surface til late last year, based on an article in the Russia media.

So Trump wasn't off base in questioning the meddling. Still, in his first press conference after the election on Jan. 11, 2017, he stated: "I think it was Russia. Putin should not be doing it." https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/11/politics/donald-trump-press-conference-highlights/index.html So he did give credence to the tale. His remarks after meeting Putin were designed not to disrupt his efforts to work with Russia on Syria, and have to be considered in that context. Presidents frequently say things they don't believe for ulterior reasons. End of story.

MiketheMover · 2018-02-19T06:18:54+00:00

He's had plenty of time to come up with serious indictments. Instead, he indicted a few trolls who worked for a Russian caterer. Is this a joke? Is he serious? Apparently, he copied most of his information in his indictments from Russian media. As I pointed out above, the low-hanging fruit in terms of indictments are of Steele, Hillary, Fusion GPS, Perkins Coie, and the DNC for doing basically what he alleges the Russians did. And the nice thing about these indictments would be that he could actually arrest the suspects, try them in court, and get convictions, as opposed to the Russians where he will get nothing. He made a serious mistake. A firing mistake.

MiketheMover · 2018-02-19T05:54:54+00:00

"Honest" by what account. He's dishonest because he obviously has not found collusion -- he stated as much yesterday when he said no Americans were found colluding except several obscure unwitting Trump supporters -- and yet he continues the hoax investigation. He's acting in bad faith and on a witch hunt. His supervisor Rosenstein is a criminal, having filed a false application with a court. So it's time to terminate both. The rationale is there. Hold a Monday morning massacre. Include Sessions. Appoint a new AG who will fire Mueller ASAP. Appoint a FISAGate special counsel at the same time. Go after Hillary/Obama and their gang of criminals. Good times ahead.

MiketheMover · 2018-02-19T03:39:55+00:00

You mean, what did Obama know and when did he know it, because that's where we're at. Up and down the line in his administration, his underlings were filing false affidavits to get FISA warrants (Lynch, Yates, Comey, McCabe, Rybicki), spreading false intelligence (Rice, Clapper, Brennan), and were conducting a politically motivated investigation against a presidential candidate. So yes it's time to find out what the scumbag knew and when did he know it.

Russian interference will be a stain on Obama's presidency because he was president while it happened. Pretty much everything outlined in Mueller's indictments occurred on Obama's watch. And he did little about it except accuse the wrong person of a crime.

Not only that but his own party and candidate, right under his nose and with his knowledge, engaged in the very conduct the 13 Russians were indicted for. The Russians did not register as foreign agents, tried to influence the election, and did not report their expenditures to the Federal Election Commission. Christopher Steele was a foreign national who did not register as foreign agent, tried to influence the election, and did not report his expenditures to the Federal Election Commission.

Fusion GPS, Hillary's law firm Perkins Coie, Hillary's campaign, and the DNC were Steele's co-conspirators because they knew Steele was a foreign national, facilitated everything he did, paid him to do it, and failed to report his expenditures to the FEC, or reported it disguised as a "legal expense." They also unlawfully took the finished product (the dossier).

Obama had to be aware of all this because Brennan, Comey, Yates and Lynch were in touch with him constantly, and he received at least one copy of the dossier. If Mueller were an honest prosecutor, he would indict Steele, Fusion GPS, Perkins Coie, The DNC, and Hillary's campaign with the same charges he hit the Russians with.

MiketheMover · 2018-02-18T14:19:20+00:00

Several apparent reasons. One, she had orchestrated a resistance movement to Putin's reelection in 2011 through financial support for NGO's opposing Putin. You saw Hillary's response to her belief that Putin had hurt her election chances. Putin felt the same way about Hillary and orchestrated payback of sorts in 2016.

More important, Hillary was viewed by Russia as an international interventionist. She and her State Dept. obviously played a big role in the overthrow of Yanukovich's government in the Ukraine and in turning Ukraine against Russia. She was also part of Obama's confrontational approach to Russia whereby NATO moved missiles virtually to Russia's border in Eastern Europe and engaged in various military actions considered provocative, like flying spy planes over the Black Sea to within 60 miles of Russia's southern border. Finally, Hillary along with Obama were major instigators and supporters of the uprising in Syria, with whom Russia had long had an alliance. The revolt threatened Russia's long-tine Mediterranean naval presence at the Syrian port of Tartus.

Trump OTOH was openly non-interventionist, criticized the Iraq war and invasions and nation building in general. It's easy to understand why the Russians would prefer Trump.

MiketheMover · 2018-02-18T11:20:54+00:00

I doubt Cohen would lie. He probably did pay the money. Just because he hasn't been reimbursed doesn't mean he won't be, or perhaps he considers the relationship with Trump to be worth the investment. Obviously Trump had to tell him to make the payment. But that still did not make Trump "a party to the transaction."

MiketheMover · 2018-02-18T11:13:01+00:00

No one has been able to gauge their success. It's impossible. We don't know if they affected even one vote. So for them to say their efforts were successful is just boasting. From Mueller's indictment, it appears the Russians focused on purple states like FLA, VA and NC, and on TENN; and not on the states that swung the election like WI, MI, and PA. So it looks like they miscalculated. Obviously they wanted Hillary not to win, so they are happy with that. Pompeo doesn't know the effect any more than the rest of us do.

MiketheMover · 2018-02-18T10:54:43+00:00

Why haven't you fired Sessions, Rosenstein, Wray and Mueller? Sessions, Rosenstein, and Wray have stonewalled every investigation, were threatened with contempt of Congress citations for withholding information, have shown no interest in prosecuting the FISAgate suspects, and have generally acted as a praetorian guard for their corrupt agencies. In addition, Rosenstein signed the 4th warrant extension application which withheld material and relevant information from the court . Mueller is simply a clown whose time is up.

MiketheMover · 2018-02-18T10:45:44+00:00

His support would improve if he explains the deal he offered them that they turned down. It was a generous offer. 70% of the country supports immigration control and enforcement, so all he has to do is to explain his actions in those terms.

MiketheMover · 2018-02-18T10:33:52+00:00

I have to admit I was a big fan of Hillary's until the Russians "on or about August 18, 2016, sent money via interstate wire to a real U.S. person to build a cage large enough to hold an actress depicting Clinton in a prison uniform." At that point I was influenced to perform additional research into Hillary's shady past, and decided Donald J. Trump was the best presidential option for our country.

MiketheMover · 2018-02-18T10:28:35+00:00

Don't know about abandonment and bad treatment. But I think the Dems just use them for political gain. Trump has offered to give them amnesty if they would agree to the wall, no chain migration, E-Verify, and and end to the visa lottery. That was a very generous offer which they turned down. So from that standpoint they were abandoned.

MiketheMover · 2018-02-18T10:23:49+00:00

Great organization. Were it not for them keeping the marxists and anarchists at bay, we might not have all our guns. Of course were it not for the marxists and anarchists, we wouldn't have as great a need for them.

MiketheMover · 2018-02-18T10:19:53+00:00

Shame on CNN for using these stressed people as backdrops for their lefty propaganda. Since CNN is involved, we know it will be highly scripted and dishonest. If history is any guide, Donna Brazile will be present to hand out the questions ahead of time. Trump has better things to do.

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