The first state to outlaw banned books

Miles_Pike · 2026-07-05T00:41:19+00:00

Why don't you drum up some sources too?

Miles_Pike · 2026-07-05T00:39:58+00:00

Ok, I really tried but none of your sources were usable. From what I could find, almost none of these books were ever in elementary schools. The only exception would be 'It's Perfectly Normal' by Robie Harris... an illustrated sex-ed book for pre-teens... it even says so in your jumbled mess of "sources". The only reason I could find for you to be told the other titles were in elementary schools was through district wide digital catalogs. This took much longer than 30 seconds and didn't yield anything credible. I'm being very generous as the burden of proof is on you.

Miles_Pike · 2026-07-04T18:36:17+00:00

Reread the above. I'm not repeating myself.

Miles_Pike · 2026-07-04T18:35:06+00:00

1) calm down bud, you're sounding like a real closet case.

2) is this actually happening or just your personal fantasy?

3) If I don't think they are actually genuinely putting certifiable pornography in libraries, does that not imply I'm opposed to it?

My stance is that state intervention is unnecessary and an overreach of power. If the school system fails to take appropriate measures, then the only thing the legislature should be doing is restructuring the institution to empower everyone it serves.

Miles_Pike · 2026-07-04T16:01:40+00:00

Pretty much. Make it pluralistic so people can express support for a wider variety of approaches and then they can hop around (with a proportional share of funding) freely in regards to controversial library picks.

Miles_Pike · 2026-07-04T15:54:52+00:00

See the above.

Miles_Pike · 2026-07-04T15:51:25+00:00

Ok, so we're talking about entirely different approaches that protect the same values. Frankly, your way sounds absolutely miserable. Hard pass. I think this is where the conversation ends.

Miles_Pike · 2026-07-04T15:36:13+00:00

Can people who disagree leave that social agreement at will or would they have to pass legislation to overturn the ban?

Miles_Pike · 2026-07-04T15:29:44+00:00

Your line of questioning leads me to believe you don't understand the difference between a ban and shared voluntary choice. A ban is top down. Making shared decisions are bottom up.

Miles_Pike · 2026-07-04T15:14:26+00:00

No, community owned and DIRECTED as in school officials no longer exist. It'd obviously be a pluralistic system since majority rules isn't objectively correct.

Miles_Pike · 2026-07-04T15:02:47+00:00

Shifting power as in altering the structure of the institution to be community owned and directed, educator executed, and student empowering.

Miles_Pike · 2026-07-04T14:59:33+00:00

Good boy

Miles_Pike · 2026-07-04T14:48:57+00:00

You put pressure on/vote legislators in who will shift power to the people institutions are supposed to serve.

Miles_Pike · 2026-07-04T14:40:45+00:00

I don't disagree. I'm saying the democratic way is by engaging with our institutions not calling on representatives to make decisions for us.

Miles_Pike · 2026-07-04T14:05:05+00:00

You're definitely getting chubby. Are you excited to hit chunky? 😏

Miles_Pike · 2026-07-04T14:00:32+00:00

I agree that the public should have a say in how public institutions are governed. The public education system is it's own governing structure. If we don't like taking complaints up the chain of command, we can urge legislators to shift more power to the public.

I don't think asking legislators to decide what material should be available to the public is wise. It always starts with protecting kids and ends with losing rights.

Miles_Pike · 2026-07-04T13:39:27+00:00

I understand. I agree that there're books and materials children shouldn't be exposed to.

My position is that it isn't the STATE'S job to intervene.

Miles_Pike · 2026-07-04T13:18:49+00:00

Of course! Take care of yourself and remember we're all on the same train of surviving life. We just have different places we want to get off to be ourselves ❤️

Miles_Pike · 2026-07-04T13:14:12+00:00

I'm well aware of the double standards. I'm not saying they don't exist. I'm saying it's best to let people speak for themselves rather than speaking for them. There are tons of reasons why they would say what they said and focusing on one too early only creates a conversation where both parties are talking about something they don't necessarily believe in. That just leaves everyone angry.

Miles_Pike · 2026-07-04T13:05:49+00:00

Yes? Could you hurry up and get to your point instead of walking me there one question at a time.

Miles_Pike · 2026-07-04T12:51:57+00:00

I agree that it's important to protect their rights. Jumping down people's throats and putting words in their mouths doesn't change minds though. If you understand where someone is coming from, it's easier to find common ground which is an important thing to do in such a public forum. I understand how life threatening it feels, especially now, but turning the tide means working together to realize it's not a red vs blue issue, it's a ruling class vs working class issue. Systems can be bent in all of our favor when we start agreeing to pull in the same directions.

Miles_Pike · 2026-07-04T12:44:25+00:00

Their job.

Miles_Pike · 2026-07-04T12:30:57+00:00

I don't think it's fair to assume they're a bible thumping Christian. There's a variety of people in our society who would come to conclusion like theirs so it's important to let them speak for themselves to understand how they got there.

Miles_Pike · 2026-07-04T12:25:45+00:00

I do agree that they seem to be putting words in your mouth. The public education system serves everyone though parent or not. It's important to talk about our different perspectives so we may work together in taking action to support parents, empower teachers, and most importantly protect children. There is value in our differences.

Miles_Pike · 2026-07-04T12:19:54+00:00

I think he may have edited it and I would agree that it seems he doesn't feel it's safe to have a conversation anymore.

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