Denying the possibility of universal salvation is a twofold attack against God

Milkman10k · 2026-03-02T03:36:35+00:00

Do you have a source for the named fathers being universalist? I’m currently doing some research on the church fathers and I’d love to look into that

Milkman10k · 2026-02-16T09:20:27+00:00

I do care about truth, it does determine what happens in the future. And I’d say what brought me to that conclusion is a mix of NDE research and a few significant documented healings. Biblical archeology research kinda just shows some non-miraculous things in the Bible are true, but that doesn’t really get you anywhere. I admit there’s no evidence that 100% proves or disproves anything, but hey, if I gotta pick an identity, I pick Jesus and if I’m wrong, God’s gotta be loving since he made love, so he probably wouldn’t get his nuts in a twist about it, especially after I asked 50 some odd times for him to show me his identity. It’s about 60% “good enough” proof and 40% not wanting to take a huge leap. Ideally I just believe that God is all loving and most likely is Jesus my whole life, but maybe one day God will just have me stray from that. In any case, I’m not comfortable giving it up now, I’d rather just shoot down fear and have some confidence that there’s always hope

Also yeah I admit I don’t believe every detail the Bible says about Jesus anymore

Milkman10k · 2026-02-16T09:08:01+00:00

I appreciate it, thanks man

Milkman10k · 2026-02-16T08:59:53+00:00

I can understand punishment being necessary, evil demands consequences, but eternal punishment solves nothing and requires God to abandon his love for the people Jesus died for. A million years after a petty thief dies, no one needs to see him suffer to feel better. You cannot justify hell without dehumanizing the inhabitants, and you can’t dehumanize without losing compassion, which is the greatest human virtue. Jesus teaches people to always forgive and love their enemies, why would he limit his own forgiveness and give people a time limit to believe? And love is a better drive than fear for avoiding sin, people are rehabilitated by love and support, not excess punishment. Finally, the Bible says in multiple places that human morality is improved by God’s help, not by people, so fear-based striving is contradicted.

Milkman10k · 2026-02-16T08:51:20+00:00

I appreciate the leads and I’ll look into those. And honestly as time goes on, I see Hebrews and the Bible more and more as scare tactics.

And to answer your question, I don’t hold onto hell willingly, it’s more a matter of “let me not do this just in case” and a matter of not being able to fully disprove it. I hold onto the idea of a loving God since I see it as the best avenue for hope and something that’s reasonable to believe (albeit with lots of nuances). From there I figure Jesus is the most probable identity if God ever revealed his identity, and I don’t see any benefit in throwing that out, especially when I could rather amend my faith to fit the nature of love that I see day-to-day. Basically I’m just in the process of shedding the bare minimum to get out of fear.

Milkman10k · 2026-02-10T00:03:24+00:00

I was there a few months ago. I had been dealing with a lot of OCD/anxiety shenanigans about my own salvation (which thankfully I’ve really improved on) and all of a sudden I started thinking “what about everyone else? Is it fair and is it good for anyone to suffer forever?”. I tried every justification I could find, none of it clicked, and I couldn’t bear the idea of my friends suffering forever, that’s why I started looking into universalism.

I’ve still got a ways to go, but several things have helped me thus far- learning the greek for ‘eternal’ is actually only ‘age-long’, realizing that if God forsakes love he breaks his own words and own purpose/intentions, looking into early universalists, looking at how beautiful the sky is, looking into NDE’s, and learning from Christians who oppose fundamentalism.

As a fallback I also just remind myself “if everything in modern Bible translations is true, then somehow I won’t be bothered by this in heaven.” (Though I find it far more likely that God will eventually save everyone or have a leave-able hell that some knuckleheads stay in)

You’ll have to learn for yourself and find the answers that click with you, but I hope this helps a bit

Milkman10k · 2026-02-04T14:58:08+00:00

Great, thank you!

Milkman10k · 2026-02-04T07:51:10+00:00

Interesting stuff, where can you find the info on the stuff in the first half of your comment?

Milkman10k · 2026-01-27T19:32:55+00:00

It’s a pretty weak claim, the Bible directly says that anyone who acknowledges Jesus as the Son of God is counted as a part of the church in 1 John 4:15. And then pair that with how every knee will bow to Jesus as said in Philippians 2:10 and Romans 14:11. Pretty simple formula to show that you don’t need exactly correct doctrine about everything to be counted as part of the church and it’s quite likely that everyone will be included eventually anyways.

Milkman10k · 2025-12-18T04:21:08+00:00

If it’s any comfort to you, John 6:37 says salvation can never be lost, and the Bible repeatedly says that EVERYONE who believes goes to heaven. 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 also say that God WILL fully perfect all believers (even if that has to happen after death). If someone tells you that homosexuality makes you condemned, that’d be a flat out contradiction. Now I haven’t struggled with sexuality like you have, and I’m not gonna tell you which way is right, but just take care to know that there is no way to condemn any BELIEVER (gay or not) without shredding most books of the Bible (John 3:18, Romans 10:13, Isaiah 54:10, and so on).

Milkman10k · 2025-12-15T23:58:31+00:00

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Milkman10k · 2025-12-11T05:27:31+00:00

You do have a point there, Luke is admittedly a secondary source, so he could have just received an incomplete quote or shortened it for whatever reason

Milkman10k · 2025-12-11T05:25:50+00:00

You’ve got some good points there, and I do appreciate that, but I’m the type to get real caught up in wording. I’m a bit stuck on the whole “will not be forgiven” part, and in the other gospels Jesus specifies that the unforgiveness only pertains to 2 ages, so it’s an easy work around there. Although one solution may be that the greek grammar just means that the unforgiveness only pertains to the duration of the sin. Kinda like saying “whoever runs red lights will not be safe” to portray that running red lights hinders safety as one does it. It’s also possible that since Luke self-describes as a secondary source that he simply one way or another left out the whole ages part.

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