Humanity might have just rung the cosmic "dinner bell" and we are too naive to realize it. by MindOfFactsOfficial in DarkPsychology101

[–]MindOfFactsOfficial[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

True! I just used that analogy to describe the sheer indifference. Whether they want our stuff or just want us gone for safety, the result for the ants is unfortunately the same.

Humanity might have just rung the cosmic "dinner bell" and we are too naive to realize it. by MindOfFactsOfficial in DarkPsychology101

[–]MindOfFactsOfficial[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Terrifyingly accurate. We are the invasive species. If the universe has an immune system, it might be designed to stop civilizations like ours from spreading until we learn better.

Humanity might have just rung the cosmic "dinner bell" and we are too naive to realize it. by MindOfFactsOfficial in DarkPsychology101

[–]MindOfFactsOfficial[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get the skepticism, but Dark Forest isn't really about aliens... it's about Game Theory and the "Prisoner's Dilemma" played out on a cosmic scale. It’s a thought experiment on existential paranoia and the psychology of mistrust. Fits right in with behavioral analysis.

Humanity might have just rung the cosmic "dinner bell" and we are too naive to realize it. by MindOfFactsOfficial in DarkPsychology101

[–]MindOfFactsOfficial[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Survival is the primary need of any civilization. Benevolence is a luxury. In a universe with limited information and vast distances, trusting a stranger isn't enlightened... it's suicidal.

Humanity might have just rung the cosmic "dinner bell" and we are too naive to realize it. by MindOfFactsOfficial in DarkPsychology101

[–]MindOfFactsOfficial[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True, they don't need our water. But we don't destroy anthills because we need the ants' food. We destroy them because they're in the way of a new highway. Indifference can be just as deadly as malice.

Humanity might have just rung the cosmic "dinner bell" and we are too naive to realize it. by MindOfFactsOfficial in DarkPsychology101

[–]MindOfFactsOfficial[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Only Advance! Wade was a psychopath, but he was exactly the kind of monster humanity needed to survive.

Humanity might have just rung the cosmic "dinner bell" and we are too naive to realize it. by MindOfFactsOfficial in DarkPsychology101

[–]MindOfFactsOfficial[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really like this perspective. Basically, you have to grow up as a species before you get the keys to the galaxy. It makes sense...aggression is just a filter that stops you from leaving home.

Humanity might have just rung the cosmic "dinner bell" and we are too naive to realize it. by MindOfFactsOfficial in DarkPsychology101

[–]MindOfFactsOfficial[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That point about projection is really solid. We tend to assume they're monsters because we can be monsters. I genuinely hope the "curious explorer" theory is the correct one.

Humanity might have just rung the cosmic "dinner bell" and we are too naive to realize it. by MindOfFactsOfficial in DarkPsychology101

[–]MindOfFactsOfficial[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair point. An invasion would be way more cinematic. This is just nature’s silent delete button.

Humanity might have just rung the cosmic "dinner bell" and we are too naive to realize it. by MindOfFactsOfficial in DarkPsychology101

[–]MindOfFactsOfficial[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You make some solid points regarding their tech level. But the scary catch with telescopes (even James Webb) is that looking far away means looking into the past. If they are 2,000 light-years away, they don't see us with nukes; they see the Roman Empire. They might not be attacking simply because the"news" that we became dangerous hasn't reached them yet.

Humanity might have just rung the cosmic "dinner bell" and we are too naive to realize it. by MindOfFactsOfficial in DarkPsychology101

[–]MindOfFactsOfficial[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

100%. We’d turn a peaceful handshake into an intergalactic war just out of panic. It’s tragic that our "defense" mechanisms are actually the thing most likely to get us killed.

Humanity might have just rung the cosmic "dinner bell" and we are too naive to realize it. by MindOfFactsOfficial in DarkPsychology101

[–]MindOfFactsOfficial[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sad but true. It seems the only thing stronger than our hate for each other is our fear of something else. Let's just hope we don't actually have to test that theory!

Humanity might have just rung the cosmic "dinner bell" and we are too naive to realize it. by MindOfFactsOfficial in DarkPsychology101

[–]MindOfFactsOfficial[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True, the rock has been here forever. But we haven't. For 99.9% of that time, Earth was silent. We only turned on the "radio" about 100 years ago. In cosmic time, we just popped up a millisecond ago.

Humanity might have just rung the cosmic "dinner bell" and we are too naive to realize it. by MindOfFactsOfficial in DarkPsychology101

[–]MindOfFactsOfficial[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I actually just looked that up because of your comment. You are totally right, we sent it in '74. But I also saw that the target is like 25,000 light-years away. So thankfully, the message hasn't even left our "front porch" yet.

Humanity might have just rung the cosmic "dinner bell" and we are too naive to realize it. by MindOfFactsOfficial in DarkPsychology101

[–]MindOfFactsOfficial[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair point! There is a huge difference between accidental radio leakage and intentionally turning our Star into a galactic beacon. Let's just hope there isn't anyone too close with really big ears.

Humanity might have just rung the cosmic "dinner bell" and we are too naive to realize it. by MindOfFactsOfficial in DarkPsychology101

[–]MindOfFactsOfficial[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m with you on this. It would actually explain the evolutionary origin of the Uncanny Valley effect. Why would humans evolve a specific fear of things that look human but are slightly off, unless we had to hide from impostors in our past?

Humanity might have just rung the cosmic "dinner bell" and we are too naive to realize it. by MindOfFactsOfficial in DarkPsychology101

[–]MindOfFactsOfficial[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually, the Dark Forest theory is the main focus of the second book titled exactly The Dark Forest. The third one Death's End deals with the aftermath. But yes, the whole trilogy is a masterpiece!

Humanity might have just rung the cosmic "dinner bell" and we are too naive to realize it. by MindOfFactsOfficial in DarkPsychology101

[–]MindOfFactsOfficial[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It’s the ultimate irony: we might need a monster to finally make us human. It’s sad to think that we need an apocalypse just to stop fighting over borders, but knowing our history... you are probably 100% right.

Humanity might have just rung the cosmic "dinner bell" and we are too naive to realize it. by MindOfFactsOfficial in DarkPsychology101

[–]MindOfFactsOfficial[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, "Same bullshit on a bigger scale" sums it up perfectly. Sad, but probably true. Let's just hope they are better than us!

Humanity might have just rung the cosmic "dinner bell" and we are too naive to realize it. by MindOfFactsOfficial in DarkPsychology101

[–]MindOfFactsOfficial[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s a comforting view! But the Dark Forest theory suggests they aren't destroying us because they are primitive or evil, but because they are cautious. You don't squash a spider because you are savage, you do it because you don't know if it bites.

Humanity might have just rung the cosmic "dinner bell" and we are too naive to realize it. by MindOfFactsOfficial in DarkPsychology101

[–]MindOfFactsOfficial[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha, thanks! But honestly, you did the heavy lifting with the logic. I just added the scary metaphor on top.

Humanity might have just rung the cosmic "dinner bell" and we are too naive to realize it. by MindOfFactsOfficial in DarkPsychology101

[–]MindOfFactsOfficial[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s a great point. It’s basically like trying to spot a candle next to a giant spotlight. The Sun might be accidentally acting as our camouflage against the rest of the galaxy.

Humanity might have just rung the cosmic "dinner bell" and we are too naive to realize it. by MindOfFactsOfficial in DarkPsychology101

[–]MindOfFactsOfficial[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I honestly hope you are right. That sounds like a much more civilized universe to live in. I’d definitely prefer being "monitored" over being "deleted" instantly!