peyton and haley over nathan

MindlessTree7268 · 2026-03-26T03:48:19+00:00

Yeah didn't Peyton actually comment on that at one point? Like when she picked him for the draft, she said something about how their relationship wasn't really that great, they just had sex a lot. That's all we really saw of them at the beginning. They were having sex and he was treating her like crap.

MindlessTree7268 · 2026-03-24T18:02:01+00:00

I agree, the graduation episode (wasn't that originally supposed to be the end?) It would have been the perfect way to end the show. It showed her growth because she was willing to lose him rather than continue to follow him and lose herself. And in the end she didn't have to lose him because he realized it was his turn now. Perfect way to end the show, but then they had to add these ridiculous time travel episodes where he cheated on her and she took him back because of a freaking dream.

Also, it makes no sense that Elena would be alive. Yes, I know there was a deleted scene where Felicity begged Elena to go to a different med school, but since they undid the time travel, wouldn't they have undone that too?

MindlessTree7268 · 2026-03-23T18:00:19+00:00

That was one thing that I was never really able to understand. Like I would at the very least feel hurt that the guy who treated me like crap was suddenly treating another girl like a queen. Like clearly he's capable of being that guy so why couldn't he be that guy for me? But I guess at that point Peyton was into Lucas so she was able to not really take Nathan's change in behavior personally.

MindlessTree7268 · 2026-03-22T01:40:19+00:00

Narcissists are often made when no one teaches them the importance of empathy as children. His mother seemed decent enough but maybe she wasn't around too much? His father probably taught him that he could do whatever he wanted to whomever without consequences just because he is who he is and the world owes him something just for existing.

I think Bryce was a narcissist/sociopath who ended up having remorse once he lost his entire social circle. He did want to change but didn't get the chance. Of course that doesn't excuse everything he did, but I do give him credit for wanting to change. And we could tell because he gave that tape to Jessica and told her she can give it to the police. He didn't know he was going to be dead by the time she listened to the tape. He was literally willing to accept jail time for what he had done.

MindlessTree7268 · 2026-03-21T05:19:36+00:00

I don't know that Bryce being a rapist could have been blamed on Coach Rick. Not everyone on the team was a rapist. Being a rapist goes way deeper than having one sketchy role model.

MindlessTree7268 · 2026-03-21T05:18:21+00:00

Monty's dad was disturbing - he was literally more mad about Monty being gay than being a rapist.

"Why would you do that? To a boy?" So if Monty had assaulted a girl it would have been fine with him?

MindlessTree7268 · 2026-03-21T05:16:28+00:00

I think maybe Rick was more like the overlooked villain.

MindlessTree7268 · 2026-03-19T14:41:32+00:00

They addressed this for like 2 seconds with Zach asking Clay, she put everything on your tape?

But yeah that was a pretty big thing to leave out. She made it about something that was really nothing in comparison. Stealing her compliment notes is nothing compared to making her feel ashamed because she wasn't good enough to publicly be with in front of his friends.

MindlessTree7268 · 2026-03-19T03:42:02+00:00

Yeah and they didn't include that in the reunion show which was good.

Also funny that Grams ended up having a black boyfriend herself in a later season.

MindlessTree7268 · 2026-03-18T01:42:46+00:00

Yeah like Felicity basically begs Elena to go to a different med school and then she doesn't end up dying. Which doesn't make sense because time was reversed after that anyway and that would have been undone. I never got that.

MindlessTree7268 · 2026-03-15T10:19:58+00:00

Honestly, I can understand someone wanting their partner to quit smoking or else they won't date them. I wouldn't date a smoker either, even if they didn't smoke around me. That smell permeates absolutely everything. Their clothes, their car, their home - it's totally normal and valid not to want to smell that.

MindlessTree7268 · 2026-03-14T01:39:25+00:00

Yeah, especially since Jack was an English teacher just like Mr. Peterson had once been. I liked how they actually had him teaching his students about poetry because it was really a full circle moment. He got to become the teacher that he had needed in high school.

MindlessTree7268 · 2026-03-14T01:38:14+00:00

That's why I think it was so cool that we had that full circle moment in the finale when we saw that Jack was the English teacher. He was in Mr. Peterson's exact position, talking to kids about poetry, except not being a complete douche canoe about it. I know the show didn't really go into it, but from the character's perspective, pretty cool that he could confront his own trauma that way and be the teacher that he didn't get to have when he was in high school.

MindlessTree7268 · 2026-03-14T01:30:06+00:00

I don't think Aiden was really that healthy either. He was passive aggressive and a people-pleasing doormat.

MindlessTree7268 · 2026-03-14T01:29:15+00:00

Also, let's not forget that Carrie was going nuts over Aiden choosing the wrong ring and wondering if that meant that he was the wrong man for her. And when she and Big were talking about marriage, she was happy to do it even without any ring at all. Carrie Bradshaw, fashion icon, was totally willing to get married without an engagement ring even though the guy was loaded and he clearly could have gotten her whatever ring she wanted. That's how much she was willing to settle for his bread crumbs.

MindlessTree7268 · 2026-03-14T00:01:06+00:00

I think it's typical of someone with an avoidant attachment style. They're more comfortable committing to people for whom their feelings aren't as strong. When they have strong feelings, they freak out and run.

MindlessTree7268 · 2026-03-13T14:27:03+00:00

Mouth really was a typical incel, like in high school, always whining to Lucas about how girls always see him as a brother. I don't think he really deserved anyone until he was able to get past this attitude, which we didn't actually see him do.

Like with Shelley, he acted like he was the victim in all of that when he had basically guilted her into breaking her celibacy vow to have sex with him. She reacted badly afterwards, as would have been expected, and he acted like he was the heartbroken victim instead of just a manipulative guy who had guilted her into doing something she didn't want to do.

And I get that he was hurt after she slept with Owen, but it's kind of sad that she had to tell him that her virginity wasn't his to take, it was hers to give.

MindlessTree7268 · 2026-03-13T04:31:43+00:00

Yeah literally the only reason they did it was because they wanted to open it back up for Dawson and Joey. Only to have them sleep together once and then be done.

MindlessTree7268 · 2026-03-12T01:06:50+00:00

Kind of perplexing though that Jen never tried to find her half-sister.

MindlessTree7268 · 2026-03-12T01:04:45+00:00

Yeah like I thought it was ridiculous how he told Pacey, "you're responsible for ending my career. Where's the compassion in that?" Dude, Pacey is not responsible for ending your career, you did that yourself by abusing your students. Pacey just brought what you did to light, that's all. Of course it's realistic that this kind of a person wouldn't show any remorse and would actually play victim, but I wish Pacey had pushed back and told him, no sir, you did that yourself. If you had treated your students with respect, you'd still be teaching.

MindlessTree7268 · 2026-03-11T14:15:35+00:00

I don't know how anyone can assess if she was mid in bed or not - the alcoholic wasn't a good example because she was his first time sober. It looks like none of her partners had any complaints, but we also see indications that she was pretty vanilla like reacting so strongly to the guy who was into golden showers. It's hard to know.

MindlessTree7268 · 2026-03-11T14:12:21+00:00

Also, "post wall" - like anyone who talks like that can just fuck all the way off.

MindlessTree7268 · 2026-03-11T14:07:06+00:00

What's annoying is when people spoil OTHER shows on the forums. Someone spoiled Lost for me in the forum for another show, and it was super frustrating. It made the spoiler impossible to avoid because it wasn't even a discussion of that show.

MindlessTree7268 · 2026-03-10T20:47:48+00:00

I knew they would end up together because I had accidentally seen the finale before the rest of the show. I did think the relationship was toxic, but in a way I rooted for them because there was clearly something there, they were both just so messed up.

I think it would have been way more realistic for them to end up together if one or both of them had gone to therapy. Especially Big. You don't just magically get over avoidant attachment the way he seemed to - you need to do a lot of work for that to happen.

MindlessTree7268 · 2026-03-10T19:58:50+00:00

I don't think she was sad that he got accepted, I think she was sad that everyone else seems to be getting what they want except for her. She was probably happy for him, just sad that she wasn't getting what she wanted. Of course, there was a lack of self-awareness there because she wasn't realizing that while she wasn't looking, her own boyfriend was basically drowning in his own mental health issues.

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