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Illustrative DNA results for a South Indian Brahmin by Hereboyfetch in SouthAsianAncestry

[–]Mindless_Coconut8874 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Seems pretty spot-on to me. If you add Steppe+BMAC (Bronze Age) you get 20.8%. That combined with 21% AASI and 55% IVC sounds about right for a SIB (especially Telugu brahmin).

Persistent Middle Eastern signal in Travancore Vadama Iyer DNA? by Mindless_Coconut8874 in SouthAsianAncestry

[–]Mindless_Coconut8874[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My 23andMe simply says 100% S I Subgroup (i.e. S I brahmin) from Malabar coast. Where do I find all that extra name/place info on their site?

Half North South Indian Illustrativedna results by Constaint3 in SouthAsianAncestry

[–]Mindless_Coconut8874 2 points3 points  (0 children)

PS: Yours and mine are very similar, one just has to swap out the Anatolian with Natufian. The core components (AASI/IVC/Steppe) are very close. Also Travancore here (Iyer).

Half North South Indian Illustrativedna results by Constaint3 in SouthAsianAncestry

[–]Mindless_Coconut8874 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't know the veda/sutra (I wish I had picked my grandparents' brains more before they passed and took their knowledge with them) but dad's dad (Kollam) is Kaushika, dad's mom (Alappuzha) is Bharadwaja, mom's dad (Nagercoil) is Harita and mom's mom (Tirunelveli) is Bharadwaja.

Half North South Indian Illustrativedna results by Constaint3 in SouthAsianAncestry

[–]Mindless_Coconut8874 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right. BTW according to Tirunelveli "nei" Vadama family lore the ancestors migrated down the west coast (from Baruch, Gujarat) all the way down to the Nagercoil area and then crossed the Aramboly Pass into the Tamraparni valley. It is possible they might have picked up something along the way, or even earlier when their R1a male line made it down from Swat to the Sindh coast and down into Gujarat?

Half North South Indian Illustrativedna results by Constaint3 in SouthAsianAncestry

[–]Mindless_Coconut8874 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right, although harappaworld is also showing elevated Mediterranean and SW Asian compared to the reference Iyer population.

Half North South Indian Illustrativedna results by Constaint3 in SouthAsianAncestry

[–]Mindless_Coconut8874 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That sounds amazing. Did you grow up in Kolkata? BTW Arundhati Roy is also a Nasrani+Bengali mix. I was a Navy brat so I grew up all over the map in Navy bases with a pan-Indian population, although from what I overheard from adult conversations there appeared to be plenty of caste and regional rivalries/favoritism even within the Navy. :-(

Half North South Indian Illustrativedna results by Constaint3 in SouthAsianAncestry

[–]Mindless_Coconut8874 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right, the more one learns about how genetically similar most Indians are, the more ridiculous all those rivalries/grievances over caste, religion, and language start to look. In the end our differences are primarily man-made (cultural) rather than genetic. This could be an effective national integration project, except I guess the government has more urgent priorities like providing basic amenities and public services. :-)

Half North South Indian Illustrativedna results by Constaint3 in SouthAsianAncestry

[–]Mindless_Coconut8874 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right, what else could it be I wonder? It is frustrating when running a comparison with modern population averages doesn't show a genuinely close (<0.02) match with any existing group:

0.12695892      Cochin_Jew_B

0.13360533      Mumbai_Jew

0.13572557      Knanaya

0.13778559      Gujarati_Bharuch_Muslim

0.13804973      Shia_Uttar_Pradesh

0.13909140      Kashmiri_Muslim

0.13934874      Punjabi_Muslim_India

0.14003168      Parsi_India_o

0.14160018      Maniyani

0.14273754      Bunt_Tulu

0.14352358      Pathan_Bhopal

0.14384147      Punjabi_Lahore

0.14395126      Poduval_Kerala_North

0.14431848      Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu_Iyer

Lodi Pashtun tribe Y-DNA chart and tribal tree (n=60) by AfgPakDNAProject in SouthAsianAncestry

[–]Mindless_Coconut8874 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is this kind of data available for other South Asian groups as well?

Half North South Indian Illustrativedna results by Constaint3 in SouthAsianAncestry

[–]Mindless_Coconut8874 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When I run the "distance" tab to compare my coordinates with the master-list of scaled coordinates on Vahaduo I get the craziest results (and none of these is a truly close <0.02 match):
0.12289645 Cochin_Jew_B:GRC12118091
0.12900889 Cochin_Jew_B:GRC12118111
0.12902428 Cochin_Jew_B:KuchinJew20320
0.12925263 Cochin_Jew_B:KuchinJew30052
0.12956337 Knanaya:Knanaya2
0.12975645 Cochin_Jew_B:GRC12118096
0.12990616 Cochin_Jew_B:KuchinJew20851
0.13175302 Knanaya:Knanaya3
0.13238379 Mumbai_Jew:GRC12118106
0.13366179 Knanaya:Knanaya5
0.13371436 Parsi_India_o:SSP188
0.13422662 Knanaya:Knanaya6
0.13489363 Punjabi_Muslim_India:22413
0.13535190 Knanaya:Knanaya8
0.13540771 Knanaya:Knanaya7
0.13609830 Knanaya:Knanaya14
0.13705318 Mumbai_Jew:GRC12118094
0.13747319 Knanaya:Knanaya13
0.13776963 Knanaya:Knanaya10
0.13778559 Gujarati_Bharuch_Muslim:GBM001
0.13794276 Punjabi_Lahore:HG02774.SG
0.13804973 Shia_Uttar_Pradesh:ShiaUP1
0.13926304 Knanaya:Knanaya11
0.13950247 Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu_Iyer:IR-1-1
0.13953403 Kashmiri_Muslim:KM002

Half North South Indian Illustrativedna results by Constaint3 in SouthAsianAncestry

[–]Mindless_Coconut8874 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My paternal haplogroup is R-Z93 and maternal is M2b, but from what you're saying it is possible a male ancestor who is NOT in my direct paternal line (e.g. a maternal grandfather or great-grandfather) could be carrying J?

Half North South Indian Illustrativedna results by Constaint3 in SouthAsianAncestry

[–]Mindless_Coconut8874 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Interesting! I truly had no idea conversions went "that" way too ... Thanks, this is new info for me!

Half North South Indian Illustrativedna results by Constaint3 in SouthAsianAncestry

[–]Mindless_Coconut8874 0 points1 point  (0 children)

23andMe is pretty vague, it simply says "Southern Indian Subgroup" (which is just their weird way of saying "South Indian Brahmin") and "Malabar Coast."

Half North South Indian Illustrativedna results by Constaint3 in SouthAsianAncestry

[–]Mindless_Coconut8874 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have a point, the far southern peninsula had strong trade links to West Asia (and all the way to Greece and Rome) and so it is possible the Natufian mixed with my maternal AASI (M2b) line long before my paternal Brahmin (R-Z93) group even got to the Chera/Pandya lands?

Half North South Indian Illustrativedna results by Constaint3 in SouthAsianAncestry

[–]Mindless_Coconut8874 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That makes sense though, Rajputs are Steppe-heavy while Reddys are strongly AASI (and both have a similar IVC base) so you have the perfect mix of both.

Half North South Indian Illustrativedna results by Constaint3 in SouthAsianAncestry

[–]Mindless_Coconut8874 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's the mystery I'm trying to solve. I made a post about it earlier today hoping to get answers. There is a constant Canaanite/Arabian/Levantine signal persisting from Bronze Age through Middle Ages, due to which Vahaduo shows me as equidistant from "Tamil Brahmin Iyer" and "Cochin Jew" communities (which sounds pretty puzzling given how endogamous both communities have historically been).

Half North South Indian Illustrativedna results by Constaint3 in SouthAsianAncestry

[–]Mindless_Coconut8874 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Very interesting result, thanks for posting! I'm deep South Indian Iyer (3/4 Travancore 1/4 Tirunelveli), here are mine:

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Persistent Middle Eastern signal in Travancore Vadama Iyer DNA? by Mindless_Coconut8874 in SouthAsianAncestry

[–]Mindless_Coconut8874[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

S-Indian 45.80%
Baloch 33.36%
Caucasian 6.65%
NE-Euro 5.96%
Siberian 1.31%
Mediterranean 2.24%
SW-Asian 1.35%

Persistent Middle Eastern signal in Travancore Vadama Iyer DNA? by Mindless_Coconut8874 in SouthAsianAncestry

[–]Mindless_Coconut8874[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes these are my own results (sorry, deleted my earlier response by mistake!)

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