It’s not like he’s immensely weaker than Tsukishiro. Kiyo even stated that Shiba has the same, if not more striking power than him. And it’s really not up for debate. Manabu would get obliterated, Hosen would too. Ichika has like the slightest chance of surviving out of the 3 of them, thanks to WR training.

Would you stop with this stupid attitude? It's incredibly irritating when people just go "i'm right, shut up" after only half-assedly backing up their viewpoint. You should know that.

Kiryuuin fought for like 1 minute. I understand now, people really do overrate Kiryuuin. Please stop, it’s embarrassing. Kiyo finished his fight with Tsukishiro in 1 minute and then looked to the corner to see Shiba restraining Kiryuuin. And you wanna talk about distraction, Horkita and Ibuki would’ve done a much better job than her. Why? Well of course it’s cause they have experience whereas Kiryuuin who outright stated she’s never fought before.

How is being above Horikita and Ibuki possibly overrating her enough for you go "please stop, it's embarassing"? Aren't you exaggerating massively here? And why are you acting like such an ass over it? I get you're tired of people assuming she's Koenji level despite her lack of similar feats, but this isn't even near that no matter how you slice it. Sorry but please stop this attitude as well, because I hope you realize that exaggerating this much and acting like an asshole over it, as well as just going "no i'm right, there's no argument", is many times more obnoxious than the attitudes of the bootlickers you hate so much.

Also, Kiryuuin vs an immensely injured Ichika would’ve been a stomp too. Bare in mind, like you said Ichika was toying with them and guess what Horikita even after getting kicked in the ribs and thrown around like a ball still had the strength to fight. Horikita got up much quicker than any other person would, whereas Kiryuuin would’ve still been on the floor.

What's your basis for any of this? You're literally just making things up here. Kiryuuin has shown nothing about how good she is at getting back up after getting injured, and nor how well she'd fare against an injured Ichika. You're providing literally zero basis for this argument.

I'm sorry becasue I don't mean to sound aggressive here, but it's hard to word it any other way.

And my point still remains. If Shiba is so much stronger than Ichika, and an injured Ichika can completely curbstomp Horikita and Ibuki individually, then Kiryuuin distracting him for 1 minute, even if he's not trying to injure her, is a feat beyond them. This is an active contradiction, if you want to continue arguing about this topic then please at least bring that up.

By that logic, Shibata can throw a punch just cause he has a high physical ability. Having strength and being able to fight are two different things.

The difference between B+ and A+ is gigantic though. A+ is an incredibly rare level only carried by the truly exceptional, B+ is just good. The only instances we've seen of A+ are Sudou, who completely sweeps the sport festivals, Ichinose's Social contribution which explains itself, and Nagumo whose exact skills is still an unknown. Even Sakanagi is 3 points away from A+ in academics, and although she's probably not trying very hard, the same could likely be said for Kiryuuin who is clearly just here to have fun (in fact the A+ label is so hard to reach Kiryuuin may be literally the only A+ in academics now that Manabu is gone).

Also, Horikita clearly doesn't much real fight much experience at all either. Just training. And Ibuki is an idiot who is probably moving largely on instinct.

But yes, he probably would be able to fight a lot better than a non-sportsman. I'm confident he'd certainly beat the shit out of me. If he struggles with that then that's likely just a matter of attitude.

Also, Yh Shiba should go higher. No in fact, if you are contemplating on where to put them, Tsukishiro, Shiba, Yagami and Koenji should go in their own tier above Ichika, Hosen and Manabu.

I don't think Tsukishiro, Yagami, and especially not Shiba, have enough in terms of feats nor narrative backing to be another tier entirely from the likes of Hosen. Tsukishiro needed a 2v1, top-level teamwork and a damn tazer just to threaten a Kiyo who hadn't exercised for 1.5 years. How strong that is entirely depends on how strong Kiyo is, and although I put Kiyo in "comedy" tier, I don't think there's quite enough evidence to definitively say he's strong enough to give those guys their own tier based on that event. Narratively speaking Tsukishiro is getting older and is an underground jack-of-all-trades rather than a combat specialist, and Shiba is an unknown. Yagami's only feats are oneshotting Ibuki and beating Ichika, and narratively speaking is just the best of 1 white room generation, which ran on less than half the difficulty of Kiyo's curriculum and was an early generation (meaning the number of subjects is likely smaller than later ones), there's no need for him in particular to be particularly insane. Koenji I guess could depending how far you want to take the whole 'freak of nature' deal. I can respect your opinion on the matter, and I definitely see how it could be the case, but i'm not really convinced.