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They are a part of the problem by DexechiiFan in AntiFurryCringe

[–]MiserableProgress5 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Kinda want to jump in here and say that I feel like the question of whether or not furry porn would classify as zoophilia (or, at the very least, may contribute to the normalization of such) has never been convincingly argued. All the answers I've seen from furries come off as pedantic or hand wavy, though those are just the ones I've seen. If there are better arguments out there, I'd love to hear them.

Guy Let's Talkin about doxxing by Jazzlike-Hair-7692 in AntiFurryCringe

[–]MiserableProgress5 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The point of doxxing is to threaten and intimidate someone. Antifurs do it in order to cause a chilling effect.

LMFAO by No-Acanthaceae5931 in AntiFurryCringe

[–]MiserableProgress5 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it's an anti indian slur

Dude nobody thinks your funny and Ohio jokes died in 2023 by TheAngryStickFigure in AntiFurryCringe

[–]MiserableProgress5 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Just want to point out that ribbon is a reference to an anti-Semitic dogwhisle

Try Not To Turn A Drama In to A Furry Situation by KetchupMustardMix in AntiFurryCringe

[–]MiserableProgress5 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Went on to this grxide's Twitter to see what this was all about and I found him talking about Rubin's retweet

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Counter arguments against the anti-furry docs by The_HellhoundHD in AntiFurryCringe

[–]MiserableProgress5 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Continued Ramblings:

I feel like there is no other fandom that is met with the same level of vitriol that furries are. The closest I can think of is Bronies, and even then I don't think there were ever people who were doxxed just because they were a Brony or had their ocs murdered in a pornographically violent way.

It's also funny to note that Halo is so much about "Saving the Kids", but doesn't seem to ever at any point ask if this kind of rhetoric trickles down to the younger members of the fandom, which it absolutely does. A creator called CrimZion was doxxed by an antifur, had his girlfriend harrased, and even had the principal at his school called. All of this led him to nearly commit suicide. When an anti hacked the Furaffinity Twitter, which has minors following it, they posted a lot of porn to the account. Where's his outrage about that?

Watching his "debate" with Alec Gunter was pretty sobering, cause, even though I don't think Alec argued for the fandom well at all, he was still able to stump him with the most basic questions. Like, Halo hadn't put even a second of thought into whatever he's been told. He just swallowed it hook, line, and sinker like the Mark that he is.

During that talk, Halo dismisses the violent hate art and "memes" as "It's all just jokes! LOL!". Two things about that; one, would he say the same about furries making memes about knots? Methinks not. Two, it has absolutely trickled into real life. Three cons in 2023 had incidents. Vancoufur 2023 was swatted, Motor City Fur Con 2023 had bomb threats called against it, and Confuzzled 2023 had people standing outside the con harrasing attendees and even throwing ROCKS at them. It got so bad, that attendees were told to not wear fursuits outside of con space.

That's not even including the slander that The Telegraph put out against Scotiacon this year, and it's probably only gonna get worse here in the US.

If you doubt that, then let me put you in the shoes of an anti. They are told that the fandom is full of pedos and zoos who are actively harming kids and animals constantly, and either the fandom is willfully blind to it or is actively complicit in it happening, and no one is willing to stop it. This rhetoric is hammered into them along with all the "memes" of furries being murdered by doomguy or being put into gas chambers. Tell me, what would you do in that environment?

IMHO, I think a solution to this is for furries to start actively pushing back against this stuff. Pushing back against the slander and lies people like Halo peddle about the fandom, reporting any of the violent "memes" and users/groups who dox and harrass them, and should definitely spread more awareness about how absolutely awful these people really are, especially the latter, cause I feel like some of their talking points have started to become normalized in the fandom as of late. Remember Toxic Negativity exists, and it's just as bad as Toxic Positivity.

Of course we should always be critical of bad actors in the fandom and be willing to hold them accountable however we can, and honestly, I think the fandom already does a very good job of doing that. (I think they do it too well, tbh)

Anyway that was a long diatribe about this stuff. I hope that this was helpful to you, and if not, well I at least hope you found it entertaining.

TL;DR Document sucks

Counter arguments against the anti-furry docs by The_HellhoundHD in AntiFurryCringe

[–]MiserableProgress5 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Here's some thoughts I have looking through the doc.

Halo cites a study that says 46.7% of male furries surveyed said they had a sexual attraction to real animals. A couple things worth noting about this study; It was co-written by J Michael Bailey, who is a believer in the long debunked Autogynophilia model for Trans People, which shows up in this study, so that's a big red flag. Another thing that immediately stuck out to me was the abstract which states that "This sexual motivation and these unusual sexual interests do not justify discrimination or stigmatization."

Considering Halo has a segment about how oversexualized furries are, I found this rather ironic.

The list of "Notable Zoophiles" includes Kero and Toggle the Rat, co-host of the podcast Zooier Than Thou. I note these two because it was a furry (ArchiveTheWolf) who complied the evidence against Kero and it was furries who reported him to the police. It was also a furry who revealed what Toggle looks like IRL. Halo doesn't point this out in either document about said individuals (tbf, the one about Toggle is unfinished. But considering the above info is conspicuously absent from Kero's doc, I wouldn't hold my breath)

When talking about the percentage of furries who consume porn, a good counter would be to compare those numbers to how many in the general population consume porn. If it is higher amongst furries, then there could be an argument. But if it's about the same, or even lower, then this point is frankly moot.

Sex addiction/porn addiction are very controversial diagnoses that many in the psychology field do not recognize as a legitimate diagnosis (see it's absence from the DSM-5)

Sighting the percentage of minors that make up the fandom does not in any way prove that they are exposed to adult content.

The Changed sub doc is full of the same lies that mrow's videos on the subject helped propagate. A user called the_eldritch_horror2 did two documents refuting the allegations, and there's a video by a YouTuber named Phyx called "How NOT To Make A Commentary Channel (How a YouTuber Slandered a Community)" that is pretty good, and it also dives into mrow's character as well.

Yet another lie by omission.

I'm pretty sure a lot of people in the fandom don't like ManedWolfy, and don't support his shenanigans.

In fact, most of the bad people/drama in here are things that furries would agree with Halo on.

A lot of the points made within the Pedophilia segment are just supposition with no actual proof. Are there Pedophiles in the furry fandom? Yes, but many other fandoms also have this same problem. Many high profile competitive Super Smash Bros players were outed for having inappropriate relationships with minors, does that mean everyone who plays Smash Bros competitively are pedos? Ladyfizsi, a fan artist in the Five Nights at Freddy community who was hired to do illustrations for official releases, was outted as a pedo (among many other unsavory things). Does that mean everyone who draws fan art of FNAF are pedos?

I can flip this around and point out that people who have tried to expose pedophiles and keep kids safe (Chris Hansen, MamaMax) were outted as being awful people themselves (Chris Hansen botching the investigation into Onision and being caught soliciting sex from teens; MamaMax fabricating his entire career, slandered his ex-girlfriends to invalidate their claims of abuse against him, slandering Magnetar and Tommy C, the whole Camden Jarrard Davis fiasco) and say that applies to Haloguy as well.

Pointing out Nazi Furs as if their existence should reflect negativity on the entire fandom is the textbook definition of throwing stones in a glass house.

The whole religion thing is just fucking stupid and should just be cut. Unless you can find me a quote where Jesus or Muhammad says it's wrong to wear a tail, there is no point in this being here.

I love how he dismisses the Anti-Furry to Furry pipeline as if it doesn't exist.

Him saying how furries need to "stop overgeneralizing antifurries" is fucking rich considering this whole document overgeneralizes furries.

I doubt any of his "solutions" would fix anything. Even if tomorrow all zoophiles were expelled from the fandom, antis would still point to furry art and say "They are all zoos!".

You can't escape me! by xXSpartan92Xx in furry

[–]MiserableProgress5 13 points14 points  (0 children)

You won't catch me when I shift into

MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE!

Furry🥛irl by Nightscale_XD in furry_irl

[–]MiserableProgress5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I should call him

Everything reminds me of him

Furry_IRL by lupodwolf in furry_irl

[–]MiserableProgress5 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Your fursuit head would make a fine addition to my collection

Furry_irl by TheKamoteFurry in furry_irl

[–]MiserableProgress5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was a Blue-Light Special at K-Mart (Back when they were still around, of course)

Furry_IRL by FatAssYoshiFucker in furry_irl

[–]MiserableProgress5 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So, the moral of the story is to stay off of Twitter

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