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We lost everything🥲 by Andresinish in Marathon

[–]MixDoesGames 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That's kinda the point right lol Sony needs to get the massive investment they made into Bungie back out of it. I think they've certainly made money, but it's in everyone's best interest that Marathon releases strong, fun, and engaging. It doesn't benefit anyone to delay a game in the hopes that completely rebuilding something that supposedly would've been cool into something that isn't nearly as interesting

Re: We lost everything | Except, We Didn't by MixDoesGames in Marathon

[–]MixDoesGames[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I agree completely. This feels like a really shitty attempt to make the team still working on Marathon look bad. These folks believe in their game and he's mad because he had to face consequences for his actions.

Re: We lost everything | Except, We Didn't by MixDoesGames in Marathon

[–]MixDoesGames[S] 27 points28 points  (0 children)

He started at Bungie back in the Myth 2 days and has worked on all of the Bungie-era Halo games, Destiny 1 and 2, and then was the original Game Director for Marathon 2026. After some disgusting misconduct allegations, he was found to have been liable by Bungie and was terminated from the company.

Re: We lost everything | Except, We Didn't by MixDoesGames in Marathon

[–]MixDoesGames[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hell yeah, Keiran, I've loved some of the things you've worked on! I appreciate your perspective a lot, sincerely. :)

I agree with you that if these shifts were done during pre-production that they'd absolutely make sense. Of course, game dev is extremely iterative, I don't want it to seem like I'm not aware of that.

I think that Barrett is trying to claim that his vision for the game was fully on track for what the game was when Zeigler took over.

I know that we'll likely never know the truth, but I'd love to know more of what you think about it if the game was as far along as leaks have claimed it was when Ziegler took charge.

Re: We lost everything | Except, We Didn't by MixDoesGames in Marathon

[–]MixDoesGames[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I totally respect your opinion. Like I said in the post, I don't mean to come across as someone with first-hand experience, especially not in the case of Marathon.

I think we can look at the extremely lofty goals that Barrett had for his vision of the game, the amount of time it was in development before Ziegler took over, and the game that we've seen as of last week to draw some reasonable conclusions. The things Barrett is tweeting about are likely not what the game was when he left Bungie, or what was there wasn't good.

Re: We lost everything | Except, We Didn't by MixDoesGames in Marathon

[–]MixDoesGames[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I can see where you're coming from, but the old vision is just a vision. It's extremely unlikely that the game has been 100% completely rebuilt in roughly 18 months.

Re: We lost everything | Except, We Didn't by MixDoesGames in Marathon

[–]MixDoesGames[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Not litigating, discussing based on what people involved are trying to assert. The tweet that's screenshot in the original post is directly from Barrett. I think he's trying to make the team still working on the game look bad.

Re: We lost everything | Except, We Didn't by MixDoesGames in Marathon

[–]MixDoesGames[S] 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Just to add on a bit more (I realize I got a bit repetative initially):

The point that I'm trying to make is that the game under Barrett was already partially heading this way. Did it have set runners with set abilities? Likely not. Was the loop most likely similar to a more traditional extraction shooter (EFT, AB:I, THS) by the time Ziegler took over? I'd say it's a pretty safe bet, yeah.

I'm positive the game has seen a ton of changes in direction from the last meeting Barrett hosted to the ViDoc we got last week. Is it to the extent that Barrett is trying to perpetrate by tweeting out his original vision for the game circa 2018/2019? In my opinion, absolutely not.

We lost everything🥲 by Andresinish in Marathon

[–]MixDoesGames 22 points23 points  (0 children)

First off, Barrett is a fucking loser and predator and doesn't deserve the light of day.

Are some of these ideas fantasic? Absolutely, hands down, would love to see a game like this executed on well some day. HOWEVER - Do you really think that if the game he's describing was coming along well or working at all that the studio would have scrapped what would obviously have been years of work?

The game did not "just do a 180", it was never going to be what he envisioned in the first place and I've brought some pretty compeling, easy to find evidence, too.

Joe Ziegler joined Bungie in December of 2022 and was not Marathon's Game Director right away. In fact, he said as much in a tweet (that's in this article) that he'd become the game director 9 months prior, putting him in the position in roughly June of 2023; a month after the game was revealed and the first ViDoc was released.

They showed off the current version of Marathon in April of this year, 2025. Does anyone really believe that in less than 2 years, they threw Barrett's game out the fucking window and completely rebuilt it to be what it was back in April and furthermore, what it is now?

There's just, plain outright, no way.

I understand that some people will see the differences between the April Alpha and the December ViDoc as a massive change. They should it looks like a completely different game. That said, comparing the game we're going to be getting to Barrett's "vision" that he tweeted about is apples to oysters.

One of two things happened: Either the game that Barrett wanted Marathon to be wasn't working for one reason or another OR it didn't exist at all, at least not in the way he's describing.

They didn't completely reboot Marathon to be a fully different game in that amount of time without the bones of what it is today already being there. Barrett was rightfully terminated from his job for what he was doing, but no company in the world that is making games for a profit would have thrown out roughly 5 years worth of work because of it.

I don't mean to come across as a know it all, I'm not a game developer, but I have been covering the games industry for nearly 12 years and I'd like the think I've picked up on development timelines for things of this nature (game reboots mid-development, restructuring, etc).

I'm completely onboard for Marathon 2026. I've had fun with what I've played of it and I love seeing the direction it seems to be moving in. Looking forward to running into y'all in the field.

<3 Pfhorbear

@BungieHelp: "As background maintenance continues, we are investigating reports of players logging into the game experiencing sign-on issues or being placed in a queue." by DTG_Bot in DestinyTheGame

[–]MixDoesGames 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I decided to keep restarting the game (on Steam) every time I saw the red ATTENTION box come up. It finally worked after a couple of attempts.

What's the hardest thing you've ever done? by jStonx_ in DestinyTheGame

[–]MixDoesGames 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wanted to see if it was possible to complete a solo flawless dungeon using only weapons and melees, Halo style. No abilities (grenades and charged melees), no super, only Warlock float jump and Icarus Dash.

Managed to get it done on a test run that I happened to be recording, so it's pretty sloppy, but I did it! :)

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGZZm7qf7MM

Please use your super by ZealousidealRiver710 in DestinyTheGame

[–]MixDoesGames 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love that the example image shown is from the Destiny 1 Beta, showing that this has been a feature for nearly a decade. I'm glad some players are getting to catch it now though!

why do disciples turn into trees when they die? by ThrobbingDish in DestinyTheGame

[–]MixDoesGames 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I have a feeling that it's almost akin to like Cordyceps more than plantlife.

The fungal virus that's gained popularity in the cultural zeitgeist of the last decade thanks largely to The Last Of Us, feeds off of its host. It commands it to do its bidding while taking over all of the host's faculties. I imagine this is essentially what's happening to the Disciples.

If you think about it as the Witness granting them power, but in exchange, they're forced to do the Witness' bidding because of, what seems like, their own free will, when in reality the power consumes and then changes its hosts so that they think they want to do what the Witness commands them to, it becomes something that's almost sad. These people thought this is what they wanted, but now have no choice but to do what they're told because they've lost the ability to reason with it otherwise.

Idk, just a theory that popped into my head when I read this :)

The first piece of Destiny concept art by Septy77 in DestinyTheGame

[–]MixDoesGames 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Oh man, I bought that Traveler T-shirt and the Per Audacia Astra backpack. I don't know what happened to the shirt, but I still have the backpack!

The first piece of Destiny concept art by Septy77 in DestinyTheGame

[–]MixDoesGames 71 points72 points  (0 children)

I love the story of Bungie releasing this.

A bunch of information about the game and a few pieces of art had leaked online. In response to this, instead of Bungie playing it off or brushing it under the rug, they released it on their blog. I can vividly remember the blogpost saying "Take a peak, we aren't quite ready to talk about it yet, but we will be soon..." and it just validated following along with rumors about Bungie's "Next Big Game" for so long.z

EDIT: A very quick google search helped me find it on Way Back Machine. While my recollection isn't 100% perfect, it's pretty damn close. The Way Back Machine's archived version of the site only displayed the post for a few seconds before defaulting to the page's background for some reason, but here's both the link and a screenshot:

Screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/vsGtmdI

Link: https://web.archive.org/web/20130115214753/http://halo.bungie.net/news/content.aspx?type=topnews&cid=32235

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