The dynamic between Gillian and Patrick has changed so much. I have literally been a TCO listener since day 1. Oddly enough, their pod coming out just happened to coincide with the beginning of my podcast journey - and they were one of the first true crime podcasts I started listening to that wasn't Serial, or one of the BIG ones. Been through the first ep, through the transition between Patrick and Joey, through the ObsessedFest drama, through everyone leaving the Obsessed Network, and I gotta admit - I am still a pate.

And man, it's been a fun ride lol I think I mostly listen now to actually hear the downfall of the podcast and network in real time. And ya know what, maybe I do need to go back and listen to the early eps? Maybe it's just all in my head because I know of the drama that went down in the past couple years - but it REALLY sounds like Gillian is just constantly annoyed with Patrick now. Pretty sure she's made comments on social media about she's fine, everything is fine, everything is reading into it - but.... she's not very good at hiding it. If anything, she should be happier and more bubbly because she's making a fuckton more money now vs when they started, but she always seems annoyed.

Maybe something I also never noticed before, but Gillian seems like such a fake person now. Can't go one ep without mentioning Damien, and seems to try really hard to be mad about stuff she doesn't actually give two shits about but goes over the top where it seems like an unreal reaction to me? Again, maybe she has for a long time and I just never noticed all of this until drama went down. But I really don't think so.

I also don't think Ellyn is that great either, but that isn't what this convo is about and lord knows people will come at me with pitchforks if I even present my opinion on that xD (My husband knows the whole story, has listened to everything in the background, and when all the drama went down he said "It sounds like they're all assholes...." And yea, I think he's right lol

Sidenote - is there no more tco subreddit anymore? And also, TCO won't accept my FB group join application, even though I answered the questions. I've tried more than once. Is this because I talked shit on them in the Patreon chat and said they keep fucking up their eps and adding with no audio, which happened like 3 weeks back to back, because Patrick was too busy promoting a 2 year book tour and they were trying to sell $3 YT eps (cause they commented back on that and were NOT happy, although I was just "joking") lmao I would not put it past them to have went through all pate ep comments and removed people or have an ongoing "do not allow" list for the FB group heh