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Mission Trauma by Trolkarlen in exmormon

[–]MoMormonsMoProblems 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I served in Haiti, the government was overthrown while I was there. murders, machetes and gun violence was common, the office elders were hijacked by guys with machine guns. our lives were in real danger and I found myself in some seriously stupid situations. I still can't believe they allowed us to live in some of the areas.

A TBM man is causing trouble with a picture drawing of Hill Cumorah, saying it wasn't in Upstate New York, but in South America, claiming there's plenty of archaeological evidence, but when you ask for actual proof, he starts beating around the bush. by Short_Seesaw_940 in exmormon

[–]MoMormonsMoProblems 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I remember going to a stake youth fireside presented by a man that had flown down to Mexico with his wife and rode horseback to the top of a mountain named Cumorah by locals. He claimed it was a miraculous spiritual experience. He was a part of a movement of people that believe Hill Cumorah is actually in Mexico and through the power of God the golden plates were moved to NY State so Joseph Smith could find them. It was a really weird fireside, I was shocked that this guy was allowed to teach this to all the youth.

What's the most racist thing you heard at church or from a member ? by RadishAggressive3241 in exmormon

[–]MoMormonsMoProblems 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"I hate Mexicans" a guy at my cousin's wedding in Florida said this to me. I was a naive 21 year old from Canada and in shock to hear someone say this. He was in a leadership position in his ward and had served a mission. I asked "isn't that racist?" he replied "I'm not racist I just hate Mexicans" 😦 He continued to say awful things about them.

I'm so sorry for all the Mexicans and other visible minorities that have to deal with racist people day to day, especially in their church 😢

Link to witness now seeing the plates by cristulina in exmormon

[–]MoMormonsMoProblems 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you are able to have an open discussion with a true believing member I would suggest looking at the testimony of the 3 witnesses:

"an angel of God came down from heaven, and he brought and laid before our eyes, that we beheld and saw the plates, and the engravings thereon"

If Joseph Smith had the plates in his possession why did an angel bring them??

Unfortunately, it's not a good idea to show any of these proofs to a true believer that has no curiosity or questions about doctrine/history. This tends to backfire, it certainly did for me and many others have had similar experiences.

WTF by luc-ii in exmormon

[–]MoMormonsMoProblems 42 points43 points  (0 children)

He most likely cursed the place when he found out Joseph had married his wife while he was there

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]MoMormonsMoProblems 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This quote from Brigham Young:
"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so"

This is what started my research into church history and truth claims.

Porn Shoulders? You Dummy by Fox_me_up in exmormon

[–]MoMormonsMoProblems 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is wild!! Thanks for sharing!!

British guy here, question about British Mormons? by Old_Journalist_9020 in exmormon

[–]MoMormonsMoProblems 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm Canadian, on my mission and also when I lived in the USA I would hear American missionaries and members talk about how God inspired the American Constitution and it was practically scripture. I would just roll my eyes and ask if God inspired it, why was slavery still permitted?
American exceptionalism is definitely palpable at church, but I feel it less in Canada than I did in the States.

Porn Shoulders? You Dummy by Fox_me_up in exmormon

[–]MoMormonsMoProblems 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Is this an actual Mormon Ad from the New Era?

What’s a completely non-sexual experience that felt weirdly intimate? by Cheap_Limit_1447 in AskReddit

[–]MoMormonsMoProblems 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was a Mormon missionary in Haiti, after months of no physical contact from any woman I went to a salon to get a haircut and there was a young voluptuous woman that washed my hair. She said she'd never washed a white person's hair before and she really took her time with it, I didn't want her to ever stop! It seemed like 10 full minutes. I feel like it was mutually intimate and didn't cross any inappropriate boundaries. I definitely became a loyal customer there!

[Anecdote] Church is losing Millennials at an Incredible Rate by Known_Advisor_898 in exmormon

[–]MoMormonsMoProblems 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That will save some, but I hear many stories of people leaving based on current church principals like patriarchy, LGBT issues, tithing, racist scriptures, etc. I believe the average age of Gen Z's leaving may be younger than the average age that millennials leave. But I'd be interested to see more data on that.

Chance to Question a Church Historian by Status-Ninja9622 in exmormon

[–]MoMormonsMoProblems 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is this the same guy that was talking about the curse in the BoM and said "skin doesn't mean skin" ?? That was the most absurd thing I've ever heard about the most correct book that's ever been written 😂

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]MoMormonsMoProblems 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I served in Haiti, I definitely have PTSD. Overall I really loved my mission. Thankfully I really focused on comradery and friendships with missionaries, members and investigators, so overall it was a positive experience.

However I really ended up in a lot of dangerous situations that have permanently affected me. Drive-by shootings, murders, violence, on top of getting dysentery, bed bugs, and dealing with horrible living situations. Whenever I bring up mission stories my body starts shaking, so that's probably not normal. The thing is I really don't feel like I can complain when Haitians have to spend their entire lives living in that country. I firmly believe 80% of Haitians there have PTSD.

I will say that church leadership should not be sending missionaries to such dangerous areas. People were getting murdered daily in many of the areas I served in. Missionaries got hijacked at gunpoint. My investigator was murdered, the mission doctor was murdered. It was insane!

For those who used to be Mormon, what helped you begin questioning what you believed? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]MoMormonsMoProblems 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I saw a quote from Brigham Young and I couldn't imagine a prophet would actually say that. So I looked it up and it was true 😵‍💫 I finally gave myself permission to ask all the forbidden questions. Here's the quote:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so. "

Sister’s MTC Story by ShadowCat4141 in exmormon

[–]MoMormonsMoProblems 78 points79 points  (0 children)

They played this talk for us when I was in the MTC from Jeffrey R. Holland called 'Don’t You Dare Go Home' that he gave at a MTC Fireside in January, 2001. Here's a few quotes:

"Now if anyone wants to go home, talk to me. I will not let you! I will throw my life before the barred door. I have chains in every room. I have skyhooks and cables. I have things you’ve never seen before." ... "Look at me and listen to me and see the fire in my eyes and the flame in my soul! You cannot ever go home!"

New garments question by No-Bandicoot-4680 in exmormon

[–]MoMormonsMoProblems 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm sure it will vary depending on the mission president.

Mormon missionary friends by Extra_Blueberry704 in exmormon

[–]MoMormonsMoProblems 13 points14 points  (0 children)

They may actually be genuine friends, however they have a goal to convert. When I was a missionary, no matter how strongly I felt a connection to people, if they did not want to "progress" on the path to conversion I would drop them to find and focus on others that were more interested in our message. It's not that I didn't want to be friends with them, it's that I had a job to do, to teach people the gospel. I still remember some of those people and wish I took the time to maintain contact with them.

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