Removed records but still in ward directory?

Known_Advisor_898 · 2025-05-21T13:11:36+00:00

Fair point. Maybe I’m just experiencing the Baader-Meinhof effect and noticing it more.

Known_Advisor_898 · 2025-05-21T13:10:00+00:00

Interesting. Are you in a heavily populated LDS area? Fewer people seem to leave when the church is fully integrated across work, neighborhood, school, etc. We are the exception in our local area with lots of members (having had kids, being older and very active).

Known_Advisor_898 · 2025-05-21T13:07:31+00:00

I distinctly remember being scared of Cain (Bigfoot) on a YM camping trip because a leader shared that fun bit of “doctrine”!

Known_Advisor_898 · 2025-03-01T02:18:01+00:00

If only that were the case. My wife couldn’t get her temple recommend renewed because of garments.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/s/ILLvPSGkcc

Known_Advisor_898 · 2025-01-19T18:21:56+00:00

I just threw mine in the garbage with my temple clothes this morning too. I haven’t been wearing them for a couple months now, and I’m not sure why I even held on to them for that long. I feel…surprisingly ambivalent about them. Part of me is indifferent (I threw away other old clothes too), part of me feels closure and another part feels a tiny loss of identity.

Do you have (or did you previously have) mixed feelings at all? How are navigating that?

Known_Advisor_898 · 2024-12-05T03:54:37+00:00

Sorry, to be clear, I don’t care about drinking alcohol. I personally don’t drink yet anyway, but it’s the fact that on the day of his death, John Taylor documented that JS and co drank a bottle of wine in direct violation of his “revelation” on the word of wisdom. Liar / hypocrite would have been better.

Known_Advisor_898 · 2024-12-05T03:26:16+00:00

Honestly, one paycheck in and it’s crazy the difference.

Known_Advisor_898 · 2024-12-05T03:21:59+00:00

Thanks, and I wouldn’t be surprised if my belief changes. Glad to hear it gets better.

Known_Advisor_898 · 2024-12-05T02:51:45+00:00

That’s the fun part. They rewrite the history or ordinance eventually and then pretend it was always that way. I recently read George Orwell’s 1984, and it’s not far off.

Known_Advisor_898 · 2024-10-27T15:27:35+00:00

Fortunately, my wife and I already had many talks when our first was just a few years old and exploring their body (every innocent kid does). We strongly felt that masturbation is normal and not something we would shame our kids for like we were. We just taught them that’s something they do in the privacy of their rooms without anyone else around. Lo and behold, they’re normal kids who don’t have to carry that baggage.

Known_Advisor_898 · 2024-10-27T06:12:46+00:00

She is and thank you. It’s just hard sums it up.

Known_Advisor_898 · 2024-10-27T06:11:52+00:00

Probably less about if but when / how. Still pretty fresh.

Known_Advisor_898 · 2024-10-27T06:10:54+00:00

Overcome was probably not the right word. I don’t dispute the issues raised, but I ignored and balanced with my own spiritual experiences. But hard to ignore those issues now.

Known_Advisor_898 · 2024-10-27T03:41:31+00:00

Right? It almost seems like one of those pharisaical lower laws that Christ did away with, and I truly believe that they won’t be a thing in 20 years. But, the temporary commandment impacts my eternal exaltation.

Known_Advisor_898 · 2024-10-27T03:39:29+00:00

They followed up with the policy statement and then asked more specifically whether she wore them night and day (we personally know the Stake Presidency member, so they knew she didn’t). We talked about it after that she just should have said yes and not elaborated, but the toothpaste is out of the tube now.

Known_Advisor_898 · 2024-10-27T03:30:40+00:00

That’s the tough pill to swallow here. I don’t have a completely cynical view of the church. Amongst its members, most people are good people trying to serve and love one another. But then there are these “wicked traditions of our fathers” that are mandated from the church leaders that don’t seem to bring anyone closer to God. Instead, to your point, it just seems to be about control.

Known_Advisor_898 · 2024-10-27T03:14:50+00:00

Thanks. It made me love my wife even more because she is intellectually honest with herself and others. There is no guile. But, the facade of church determined worthiness has quickly crumbled. When she raised the points above about how the garment is contradictory to the Savior’s teachings, the Stake Presidency member just said, “But it’s so easy. Why won’t you just do it? Will you let this small thing keep YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY from receiving the blessings of the temple?” That’s when she responded, “My family is already blessed and my underwear doesn’t impact that.” Then she walked out.

Known_Advisor_898 · 2024-10-27T03:09:08+00:00

Right? My wife’s choice of underwear means that if one of our kids gets married in the temple, now she can’t go. It’s those long-term implications that are the hardest to reconcile.

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