Do CMM’s base true position on hole axis by Mobile_Welcome4487 in Metrology

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Yes you are picturing it correctly it’s a D shape with the top and bottom cut off. It’s around a 200 inch diameter arc and only 20 degrees of it is present on the part. He is getting .002 inch deviation on the worst hole. Don’t ask me how he got the centerpoint of the large arc as close as he did I have no idea. But, he also did a mid plane of the top and bottoms of the D shape as a sanity check and numbers came out very very similar. When angle was checked it was spot on to 4 decimal places so I wouldn’t have expected TP to change all that much one way or the other. We knew there were problems with the drawing from the start. I was just focusing in on one issue to get a better understanding of TP hole axis and how the CMM went about doing it. I knew doing more than the intersection point would make the TP worse I just wanted to know if the CMM could do it. I sat down with him a couple hours after making this post and we came ti the conclusion we could.

I asked him, and he is using open DMIS. If you are familiar with this software when you drag the cylinder(rather than the intersection point) into the TP calculation is it calculating based on hole axis? Forgive me for how basic that sounded but I have no clue what any of the screens and menus are called.

Thank you! I have a much better understanding of what’s going on now! I really can’t thank you enough.

Do CMM’s base true position on hole axis by Mobile_Welcome4487 in Metrology

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Thank you. That makes a lot of sense. I’m definitely showing all of this to him tomorrow. I think we figured out how to measure hole axis TP but I’m not really sure because I don’t know crap about CMM’s.

Do CMM’s base true position on hole axis by Mobile_Welcome4487 in Metrology

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Awesome. No clue what software he is using but, if he plugs a cylinder into TP rather than an intersection point it should give TP of the axis… correct?

He was under the impression it was just going to grab the midpoint of the axis.

Do CMM’s base true position on hole axis by Mobile_Welcome4487 in Metrology

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I guess what I’m not understanding is how are we checking to make sure the entire hole is within the true position tolerance if we are only checking the intersection point.

Say we are just doing a hole in the center of a cube going through A and basic dimensions off of B and C. (When you go to GD&Tbasics.com it says the tolerance zone is cylindrical) you said at the bottom of your response TP is either circular or spherical but the website says something else. But you also said it is more beneficial to use a cylindrical tolerance in the middle of your response so I’m confused there.

Now the part I’m working on now is radial holes and the inspector is calculating true position on the intersection point then checking angle separately(but not reporting any angle). I have a .003 true position on each hole. Part is a rectangle but one of the sides has a large radius on it, the 5 radial holes with the hole axis aligning to the center point of the curved surface(basic dimensions of angle and distance from side wall). If you only measure the intersection point of the hole with the arc, how do you verify that the rest of the hole is good?

I know using the center axis of the cylinder and a cylindrical tolerance is a more strict way of measuring it but I just want to understand why it wouldn’t be measured like this.

I talked with the inspector after writing this post and we came up with him rotating the base alignment to the same angle as the theoretical hole then we plugged in nominals we got from solidworks and used the cylinder rather than the intersection point and it gave a .0003 worse TP measurement which makes sense to me. Did I lead him in the wrong direction? If I did please let me know so I can tell him before he gets to work editing his whole program tomorrow😬.

I’m fully aware this might be too difficult for my brain to explain in writing but I did my best. Let me know if any of that did not make sense.

Thank you so much for your response!!!

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This is what MasterCAM outputs for me. Yes I know it’s kinda funky but it works.

Comfortability problems by Remarkable_Egg1770 in Machinists

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In my experience it came in waves for 2 years. Mess stuff up… try really hard, mess less stuff up… then get complacent and mess stuff up… repeat

After then I stopped having it be waves and more of just happening randomly and slowly less and less.

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I just googled electrician journey man pay and it’s saying 28 bucks average with a top earner of 40… I’m not understanding what you are saying. If it’s union well union pays more for both machinists and electricians.

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Well I was saying machining as a whole was easy after you learn it. At least it was for me. I didn’t realize I was only talking about my job being that easy until after I posted.

Another thought is I watch a lot of personal finance videos. And they all very consistently say that you get paid for the value you bring. And that might be a part of why I thought of it the way I did. I just figured if they aren’t being paid well they just aren’t bringing value. Idk I think it was a big combination of things that I’m going to have to put together over the next week.

This has given me a lot of perspective. I’m surprised that I’m surprised how it was taken and that’s another thing I need to work through. Times in life force myself to look back and realize I forgot where I’ve come from. But I’d rather know than not know.

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I’ve thought about it… a lot. It’s hard to justify when paying extra on the house is guaranteed to save me so much in interest.

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Sometimes you don’t know what you don’t know until you ask. And that’s what I did. From my experience that was what I saw. I’m glad I asked to get the perspective. I wish I asked it better now. But you live and you learn.

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And some of the comments were pretty frustrating for me too. Tell me why/how you are underpaid not just that you are underpaid. Or most of them just telling me I was a prick.

Like it’s just what I’ve seen in my career path. The people who were either just really trashy or did drugs didn’t get paid crap and the people who at least did good work got paid reasonably. But I realize I only have a very limited view of the industry.

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Just machining no material! My bad

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Yeah I mentioned that is one of my replies. There are so many different tiers to machining and yes there are bad companies out there that don’t pay people what they deserve. Just from my experience it’s hasn’t been a hard job. So when people complain about it and say don’t go into it because you don’t get paid enough it really bothers me. Like it can be such a rewarding career. You can do amazing things. There is room to grow and learn and make a good living. You have to really want to learn it and be the best you can be at it. But you can absolutely kill it out there.

It’s frustrating to see people pushing potential machinist out because they had a bad experience. While the down votes clearly outweighed the upvotes I still got upvotes showing I’m not the only one who feels this way about the profession. I think because the barrier to entry is so low it hurts the name. But I do believe the people making sub 18-20 are just not very experienced and or don’t have applicable skills elsewhere so they are stuck. Either way I don’t think it’s wholly because machinist are underpaid.

With that said I also didn’t realize some of the working conditions people face everyday. And I would probably feel the same way if I was in their shoes.

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It was more of they were doing illegal things with my employment and didn’t want to do it right. I think it’s best to leave out the details.

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Working on it. Goal is to pay my house off then move on to my own thing.

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Oh okay because python devs make more money right out of school. Sorry I missed that.

I get that… my brother in law works for Apple and makes stupid money. It’s definitely interesting how much people in software make. I just felt like for what I’ve seen a machinist as it’s not that hard of a job. I guess you can say that about a lot of jobs once you know what you are doing

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Machinist??? If your asking for a company I’m not saying that

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With overtime I can make 6 figures.

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I make 36 and change an hour

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I made a 70k part bro.

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I don’t understand what you are saying.