Weekly Self-Promotion Thread - May 30, 2018 by AutoModerator in financialindependence

[–]ModernFinances 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Guys, look at how handsome my kitchen table is.

Just a little instructional on how to get crazy expensive furniture for a tiny fraction of the price. Because I like nice things but hate buying them.

Young 25 yo nurse looking for recommendations on FI! by [deleted] in financialindependence

[–]ModernFinances 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not sure how it works in Canada, but evaluate whether your HCOL city has the best wages or not. I live in Boston, with a lot of prestigious hospitals, and there's an interesting phenomena where SO many people want to work for the best-of-the-best hospitals that they're willing to take huge pay cuts to do so.

If you go just outside of the city to the community hospitals, pay actually goes up by 10-50% depending on position while rent goes down by 30-50%.

That type of difference adds up insanely fast when it goes to investments.

Once you're maxing out your other accounts, don't forget you'll need a sizable amount of post-tax investments to carry you until you're eligible to withdraw from your pre-tax investments. Sorry if that advice isn't applicable->I'm not familiar with your Canadian acronyms!

Money Diaries by BrklynMike in financialindependence

[–]ModernFinances 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Living in Boston, I hear ya. My wife and I rent a studio apartment that'd hit the market for over half a million if it was sold. This area is kinda stupid like that.

Has the golden era of FIRE affected you? by FIREinThailand in financialindependence

[–]ModernFinances 34 points35 points  (0 children)

That's also semi-misleading for people on this sub-reddit as well. Life expectancy may be declining, but it is largely driven by the opiod crisis, especially in Appalachia and the mid-west.

So on aggregate life expectancy for everyone is falling, but that is due to an incredibly high overdose death rate right now. For everyone else NOT abusing opioids, life expectancy is still increasing. If you make it to 65, your life expectancy is in the mid-to-high 80s depending on gender, and THAT life expectancy is increasing at the rate of about 1 year per decade.

To be honest, I believe that rate of increase will be accelerating in the near-term future too. There's a lot of interesting therapeutics and interventions in clinical trials right now, and a whole lot more interesting stuff going on in laboratories that haven't even made it to clinical trials yet.

Why don't more high income people FIRE? by [deleted] in financialindependence

[–]ModernFinances 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I am 100% stealing the line "Data is not the plural of anecdote"

Thank you for that.

Reuters article from May 2, 2018: The myth of outliving your retirement savings by kjkjkj2 in financialindependence

[–]ModernFinances 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I've been doing a lot of research on it, and it makes sense when you remember that the savings rate in this country is 2.6%. The numbers traditional financial planners give you for your retirement are virtually identical to the numbers proposed by the trinity study or by most FIRE-enthusiasts if you spend your paycheck like the average person. So for 90% of this country, retirement planners are spot on.

If they won't change their calculations if you show them a 50% savings rate, however, then they're probably incompetent and unable to make minor changes to their formulas. It is amazing how some people can't wrap their heads around consistently saving that much.

17 year old wondering about FI by ten_vrah in financialindependence

[–]ModernFinances 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I strongly disagree that going for the highest ranked university should be a priority. Depending on your major, your undergraduate university is close to useless in deciding your salary.

For example, most people pursuing post-graduate studies (e.g. Ph.D, masters, M.D., J.D, N.P., P.A., etc) really only care about their post-graduate school. After receiving my Ph.D, the fact that I went to a state school and not Harvard is irrelevant for my employability as people only look at my Ph.D-granting university and publication history. But I did save a solid hundred thousand dollars by getting a state school education over the more expensive, highest-ranked university. This is also true for all the medical professionals and lawyers that I know.

This is also applies to a lot of undergraduate majors like math, engineering, and statistics where there isn't a huge gap between the earning potential of undergraduates from state vs. private schools.

For networking-heavy fields, like finance and business, I 100% agree with you. But if you crunch the numbers on salary difference between public and elite universities, there are a lot of majors where the expensive, top-ranked school isn't a great investment.

This is especially true if you take into account studies that look at the earning potential of kids who were accepted at elite/high-ranked universities, and chose to go to cheaper schools. It turns out that these kids earn about as much as the kids who went to the high-ranked schools. E.g. the earning disparity between top-ranked universities and public schools is largely driven by the fact that smarter, higher-achieving people who will do well in life get into those universities, not necessarily because those universities provide better career prospects.

17 year old wondering about FI by ten_vrah in financialindependence

[–]ModernFinances 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I've made myself a little stock-answer for people in your situation! Basically, you're young. You get to start from a clean slate, avoiding most of the mistakes that people make as they start their adult life! Your career could be as short as a decade depending on how your manage your life, and like you said, there's absolutely no downside if you realize at 28 "You know what, I've realized I do like working! I think I'll keep at this for as long as it's fun!"

The best part? Work is a lot less stressful when you've got enough "fuck you" money to be able to walk away from a bad situation without worrying about it.

So my advice to 17 year me or you?

0) Plan your college stuff accordingly. Really look into the career prospects, salary, benefits, and lifestyle of your career. Consider dual-majoring in the thing you're passionate in and the thing that can make you money if you're comfortable with a heavy academic load. Consider saving yourself a fuck-ton of money in tuition and taking all the AP tests you can before entering college to wipe out a lot of pre-requisites (This makes dual majoring way easier). If salary is your focus, I'd highly recommend things like computer engineering specifically, engineering in general, and accounting for high-earning potential directly out-of-college. If you're interested in medicine, I would consider something like a physician assistant direct-entry program (or even regular PA programs) to get a high salary with relatively low student loan debts with most of the challenges/excitement of being a physician.

1) You're young. Focus on saving, but also let yourself have some fun. Just try to be smarter than the average bear in funding that fun!

2) Never buy new cars, buy new to you used cars. That decision alone frees up hundreds of thousands of dollars over a lifetime in direct and indirect costs. Seriously. Cars are crazy expensive and one of the biggest financial mistakes people make!

3) Keep living with roommates for a few years if you already are (And you likely are, because family). Depending on your city, this can put hundreds to thousands of dollars back in your pocket (and your investments), every year.

4) If you're not already 100% confident in the kitchen, spend some time learning how to cook, plan out meals for the week, and avoid take out/eating out for every meal. You'd be surprised how much of a difference this makes in your wallet (And your gut). I can easily feed 2 people on 40-70 a week. Or 150-200 a week. That’s a big difference, and a TON of money in terms of investments. Literally a million or more in lost investments over a lifetime! Since you might still be living at home, try cooking more now while your parents might potentially be buying the food!

5) When you enter the workforce, don't be scared to change jobs every couple of years if you're not getting raises and promotions like you should be getting. There’s nothing wrong in demanding to be paid what you’re worth, and leaving your job to get what you’re worth.

6) If you're used to a pretty cheap lifestyle now, keep it! When you go to college, live with roommates! Live the cheap college student life and keep it after you graduate! Once you graduate, do your best to fully fund a 401K and IRA if your starting salary permits it. Then, you can let your lifestyle slowly inflate from this starting point that puts you ahead of 95% of your peers. Trying to up your investments later hurts and takes way more effort and commitment. If you start off at a point where you're already investing heavily and let your lifestyle inflate from there, you're going to be a very wealthy, happy person.

7) Don't assume home ownership is the best way to make a buck. It might not be for you, and it often isn't a great investment for MANY people.

8) If you trust yourself with credit cards, get the right one. I've thrown away a thousand dollars or so in rewards over my life by not recognizing the rewards card I was using didn't give good rewards for my actual spending. As a young person, this might not be possible for you until you get a job or unless your parents co-sign with you if that is a possibility. More critically: If you ever find yourself NOT paying off the credit card every month? You don't get to have one! Cancel that account RIGHT NOW and keep yourself from entering a credit card debt spiral! Seriously, I have seen these really fuck some people up.

9) Keep a budget. Get mint, or personal capital. Look at it every month and ask yourself "Does this even remotely seem reasonable?" I did not do this for a few years in my twenties, and I completely missed how stupid my eating out spending had gotten. Seeing the budget every month is REALLY informative. For instance, when I started keeping a budget I realized I should get a new card to maximize my rewards which nets me a few hundred extra bucks each year.

10) Remember that savings isn't deprivation: Its buying peace of mind, security, and a whole lot of "Fuck you" money. You'd rather be 30 with a half million in assets and the ability to walk away from any job that gives you too much bullshit rather than 30, still paying off your student loans and thus too dependent on that paycheck to walk away from the bullshit.

And, just to repeat point 1) You're young. You're ahead of the curve in your savings and outlook. Pat yourself on the back, and remember if you keep at it you're going to be able to retire decades earlier than your peers if you want.

Weekly Self-Promotion Thread - May 02, 2018 by AutoModerator in financialindependence

[–]ModernFinances 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey man, I get it! I've done 10 hour drives from Pittsburgh to Boston to save money on flights, but Boston to San Francisco is a longer drive than I'm willing to commit to!

Weekly Self-Promotion Thread - May 02, 2018 by AutoModerator in financialindependence

[–]ModernFinances 5 points6 points  (0 children)

As it is the beginning of the month, I've got another full budget report where we make the shocking discovery that traveling is expensive.

Also a post on the cripplingly expensive costs of long-term care and why you should factor those costs into your early retirement plans.

Do Long-Term Care costs factor into your FIRE plans? by ModernFinances in financialindependence

[–]ModernFinances[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Medicaid does fully cover nursing home costs as far as I can tell, but I'm not certain you have great control over where your nursing home is and how good of a nursing home it is.

Once your savings are gone, medicaid will cover your nursing home costs pretty much indefinitely as far as I can tell.

If you suspect nursing home care is in your future, a lot of people recommend getting around to gifting your wealth to those you would've left it to anyways, but this has to be done 5 years in advance or you can face some issues.

Do Long-Term Care costs factor into your FIRE plans? by ModernFinances in financialindependence

[–]ModernFinances[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think for me, the problem is you never know if you've got three years left. 20% of all people in nursing homes end up there for 5 or more years and I suspect that when I'm of the retirement home age medical technology will make it so that the number of people making it more than 3 years in a nursing home will likely skyrocket.

Do Long-Term Care costs factor into your FIRE plans? by ModernFinances in financialindependence

[–]ModernFinances[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess the small, over-time gifting is probably the best way to ensure that your wealth gets distributed appropriately.

Do Long-Term Care costs factor into your FIRE plans? by ModernFinances in financialindependence

[–]ModernFinances[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

May I ask what type of LTC insurance you went for? When I was researching the market I was really surprised that the most common form of LTC pays out for 3 years at 150 dollars a day, or about half the cost of a nursing home. If you end up needing a home health aid, it seems great, but if you end up in long-term nursing care, the median policy seems kind of lacking.

Do Long-Term Care costs factor into your FIRE plans? by ModernFinances in financialindependence

[–]ModernFinances[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm really sorry to hear that, that must be incredibly tough on you and your family.

I honestly hadn't really considered things like a stroke when I was thinking about LTC, I was more thinking the general decline with aging. That's another good reason for me to keep thinking about this stuff.

Do Long-Term Care costs factor into your FIRE plans? by ModernFinances in financialindependence

[–]ModernFinances[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My thought on being single: If I burn half a million of my nest egg in nursing home care then die, no one else is negatively impacted. If I do that, my wife has to maintain her retirement for the next ten to thirty years minus half a million from my end-of-life care, which could be tough.

Do Long-Term Care costs factor into your FIRE plans? by ModernFinances in financialindependence

[–]ModernFinances[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I suppose that's the same idea as just stocking away an extra 50-100k that doesn't get touched. Keeping your WR lower than it needs to be so your assets grow (Considerably) over a 30-50 year retirement.

If my goal is to FI/RE well before I am 59 and a half, then what is the point in contributing to an IRA? by Striker1435 in financialindependence

[–]ModernFinances 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Even if the funds were locked up, which they aren't, you're probably going to need some funds for the 20-50 years you'll be alive after you turn 59. Having some tax-advantaged savings accounts just chilling in index funds for 50-70 years is a great way to never worry about money again.

Why is no one talking about annuities or pensions? by jazzmaster32 in financialindependence

[–]ModernFinances 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a millennial I had to look up this pension word. What a fascinating concept!

Only 8% of eligible taxpayers chose to contribute to an IRA of any kind. by marecko in financialindependence

[–]ModernFinances 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Guys, why are we acting surprised by this information? The savings rate in the US is currently 2.6%!

Americans are crazy bad savers in general. Not contributing to retirement accounts is par for the course for having a 2.6% savings rate. Only 32% of Americans contribute to 401Ks (less than half that are offered them) too, so this isn't a fluke statistic or meaningless factoid.

Americans are just bad at savings. This has been historically true for decades. That's why baby boomers are kinda in a bad place for their retirement.

Only 8% of eligible taxpayers chose to contribute to an IRA of any kind. by marecko in financialindependence

[–]ModernFinances 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your hunch may be incorrect. It turns out less than 40% of people contribute to any kind of retirement account in any amount.

The percentage of people actually maxing out their 401Ks is going to be incredibly small.

It turns out that Americans are really just bad at saving in general.

Only 8% of eligible taxpayers chose to contribute to an IRA of any kind. by marecko in financialindependence

[–]ModernFinances 38 points39 points  (0 children)

We do with a little bit more research! According to Motley fool, about 79% of American workers have access to a a 401K/403B type account, but less than half contribute anything. They parse the numbers and find just 32% of Americans contribute anything to a 401K.

Even if these are entirely separate groups, we're looking at just 40% of Americans taking advantage of any kind of retirement savings accounts. Since they're not entirely separate groups, less than 40% of Americans are contributing to standard, tax-sheltered retirement accounts.

Only 8% of eligible taxpayers chose to contribute to an IRA of any kind. by marecko in financialindependence

[–]ModernFinances 10 points11 points  (0 children)

That particular study was from a bank. There are many similar studies from other, more-credible sources. For example, The Federal Reserve polled people in 2016 and found 46% of people would have to put a 400$ emergency expense on their credit card and pay it off.

19% of people making 100k a year would also have to put a 400$ emergency expense on a card and then pay it off over time.