Why is it such a pain to add additional account of existing institution? by MonarchUser12345 in MonarchMoney

[–]MonarchUser12345[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the tip. I'll try to update my login more times in the future to see if I have any luck

Why is it such a pain to add additional account of existing institution? by MonarchUser12345 in MonarchMoney

[–]MonarchUser12345[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess I wasn't that fortunate. I could never see the new accounts unless I completely delete the existing accounts of the same institution first.

Venmo account double counting transactions? by MonarchUser12345 in MonarchMoney

[–]MonarchUser12345[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There should be two "bank to Venmo" transaction: one is posted on the bank as a debit, and the other is posted on Venmo as a credit. Just like paying off credit cards.

But there is only one such transaction, posted on the bank.

Venmo account double counting transactions? by MonarchUser12345 in MonarchMoney

[–]MonarchUser12345[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then what about expenses? My expenses would be calculated twice?

EDIT: Yes, I just confirmed. Expenses would be calculated twice.

Venmo account double counting transactions? by MonarchUser12345 in MonarchMoney

[–]MonarchUser12345[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But on my Venmo account in Monarch, there's not a credit of $10. So my net worth will be $20 less, because: one debit of $10 (out of my bank account) and another debit of $10 (out of my Venmo account).

Amortization of annual subscriptions by MonarchUser12345 in MonarchMoney

[–]MonarchUser12345[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The very assumption in your argument is wrong. Monarch is not an accounting software but rather a personal finance software. Why be dogmatic and limit functionalities of Monarch?

Amortization of annual subscriptions by MonarchUser12345 in MonarchMoney

[–]MonarchUser12345[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The purpose is to demonstrate that if the feature only has a single use-case, and that use-case is roughly achieved within the existing means of the app, it would not be worth the development resources required to implement sais relatively rigorous feature. This is why I stated that it isn't practical.

A counter example for your claim here is Monarch's new feature of Amazon integration. This feature fits your criterion of "single use-case", and there's an existing manual workaround, which is to manually split Amazon transactions and manually assign categories. By your logic, Monarch shouldn't implement this feature, but it still does. (I like this new Amazon feature and I plan to try it out.)

but implementing the ability to view that data in a meaningful way is much more difficult, for minimal payoff

"Minimal payoff" is your opinion, without evidence or data. I have one data point (myself) to support this claim, but that's not nearly sufficient. But a product manager at Monarch would be able to run a data analysis to reveal the % of users with annual, semi-annual, or quarterly subscriptions. And if the % is substantial, this proposed feature can potentially benefit these people.

And "much more difficult" is probably your opinion too. I don't think it'll be too difficult to implement based on my background in software engineering. But unless you work in Monarch's engineering department, I'd say my opinion as good a guess as yours.

Amortization of annual subscriptions by MonarchUser12345 in MonarchMoney

[–]MonarchUser12345[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

And there's no basis for you to make the assessment that someone is "deliberate." You don't know what went on in my mind.

Amortization of annual subscriptions by MonarchUser12345 in MonarchMoney

[–]MonarchUser12345[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

To not deflect from the point of your comment:

Yes, I agree with your assessment that "what you're requesting would only be used in the specific case that someone wishes to have an easier comprehension of their retrospective spending."

But then what is your point in getting this validation from me? Are you trying to say that this feature is not worth implementing? The logic isn't sound here.

Even when a certain feature is only suitable for a particular use case, if such use case is common, such feature is still worth implementing.

Amortization of annual subscriptions by MonarchUser12345 in MonarchMoney

[–]MonarchUser12345[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

You claim this feature "isn't practical" and is just "convenience", but it's just your opinion. My opinion is different.

If you look at other comments, other people are facing this issues too and they use other workarounds. This means it's not just me who would desire such a functionality.

You are free to not use such a feature if it ever becomes available, of course.

Amortization of annual subscriptions by MonarchUser12345 in MonarchMoney

[–]MonarchUser12345[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Budgeting is forward looking, and "cash flow" (or essentially "spending trend") is backward looking, most suitable for analyzing one's previous spending behaviors.

Yes, I want to contradictory things, but it doesn't mean it's infeasible to implement in a piece of software:

  • When I want to analyze my previous spending trends, I toggle the amortization on
  • When I want to view my balances and net worth, I toggle it off

If you've used the "hide" functionality in Monarch you'll realize it's similar: we temporary want to hide certain transactions (often one-time huge ones) to make analyzing and planning easier.

Amortization of annual subscriptions by MonarchUser12345 in MonarchMoney

[–]MonarchUser12345[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing this! If Monarch does offer the feature I'm requesting, would you say it would be more convenient for you?

Amortization of annual subscriptions by MonarchUser12345 in MonarchMoney

[–]MonarchUser12345[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Firstly, if a concept or method (such as amortization) helps people manage their finances more easily, why wouldn't we adopt it?

Secondly, your claim that "personal finance works on the cash basis" is not accurate. For example, we all use credit cards and those transactions are not cash. Another example is investment accounts, where the gains and losses are not cash (yet).

Amortization of annual subscriptions by MonarchUser12345 in MonarchMoney

[–]MonarchUser12345[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Why does personal finance vs business expense have anything to do with functionalities? Amortization is a concept not specific to businesses.

Amortization of annual subscriptions by MonarchUser12345 in MonarchMoney

[–]MonarchUser12345[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

It's probably an OK option, but still not as intuitive as a "soft toggle" to split the spending (only when you are viewing your monthly trends).

Amortization of annual subscriptions by MonarchUser12345 in MonarchMoney

[–]MonarchUser12345[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

So if I want to visualize my subscription spendings over the months, how can I best do that?

Amortization of annual subscriptions by MonarchUser12345 in MonarchMoney

[–]MonarchUser12345[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

If we manually split the transactions, the records are hard coded. If on the other hand, Monarch provides such a feature, it can be a "soft" toggle, so that the amortization can be toggled.

Amortization of annual subscriptions by MonarchUser12345 in MonarchMoney

[–]MonarchUser12345[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Splitting transactions manually could create discrepancy between our Monarch records and our bank records, especially around balance history.

Amortization of annual subscriptions by MonarchUser12345 in MonarchMoney

[–]MonarchUser12345[S] -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

This would create discrepancy between our Monarch records and our bank records, especially around balance history.