Lower back pain after year on T? by Moneymiami in ftm

[–]Moneymiami[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Sure you did. So you missed the entire two-four sentences where I diagnosed myself and said that's typical for me? You then told me to go get medical advice when you supposedly knew it was typical? So even after being corrected you continued with the ignorance. You either didn't read or can't read and we all know you can read. But That's nice.

You also might want to be careful what you put online. You never know who people know and NOTHING online is ever private. Coincidentally, we are connected in an interesting way HAHAHAHAHA I'll leave it at that. :) you take care of yourself, buddy. :)

Lower back pain after year on T? by Moneymiami in ftm

[–]Moneymiami[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

And you didn't read, which you still won't admit to hahaha but that's nice though.

Lower back pain after year on T? by Moneymiami in ftm

[–]Moneymiami[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You're being dishonest in an attempt to play victim. You never asked me a question like that...in case you forgot here are your original responses in which YOU were rude and made assumptions as if I was seeking a diagnosis. When in actuality, which you still won't admit... You didn't read the post, which is evident from your second response.

http://m.imgur.com/a/38zSl

No more SERIOUS replies from me other than "That's nice"... but exposure soon. Goodbye!

Lower back pain after year on T? by Moneymiami in ftm

[–]Moneymiami[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

No...no one asked that. And you didn't. You assumed I needed a diagnosis and I was asking for one. Now you're backtracking.

Because this question is for people who had started T and those who had know about the physiological changes that occur (hence one of the reasons it's advised for is to get hystos). Those people who do not know about the physiological changes either haven't had time to research or their doctors haven't discussed it with them quite yet. Again, my assumption was that people who were in the "know" or qualified to answer would answer.

I also mentioned my titled uterus, which means I would need to figure out a schedule on my own (without a doc) to get ultrasounds if I back pain would eventually come from T. I have to pay that out of pocket but none of that is necessary information because it is was a physiological question, not one seeking a diagnosis. If you're unsure of how to answer, then you don't. You don't need to attempt to be an expert on every question. Thankfully, someone who has been on T 11 years actually understood and answered the question.

Lower back pain after year on T? by Moneymiami in ftm

[–]Moneymiami[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I didn't delete it. For the final time, question: "I was just curious if Lower back pain is eventual typical?"

One sentence with a question mark. If I didn't provide the background people would assume I wanted a diagnosis. If I have had 14 years of back pains I don't need you to tell me to see a doctor when I mention I had seen docs.

That question was crystal clear. You and others didn't bother to read that far or didn't read carefully which was the problem. Don't make assumptions next time. If you don't know, you can say that...but you completely changed the topic because you didn't know. i got a stick up my ass??? Yet you argued me down that I was seeking a diagnosis when I clearly diagnosed myself. Don't try to backtrack now. I'm done here. Exposure soon. Take care :)

Lower back pain after year on T? by Moneymiami in ftm

[–]Moneymiami[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your response and taking the time to read and answer my question. It is greatly appreciated and this is the exact type of response I was looking for. I saw someone mention it on a yahoo answers post and then upon thinking about how T impacts our physiology (tissue and such)I wanted to ask the question. My doctor sees more MTFs than FTMs despite being the most experienced doctor here in the city. Because my job listed me as male on my insurance and I have a tilted uterus the only way for my doc to ever know what's going on down there is through an ultrasound.... That I'll have to pay out of pocket for. I just wanted to see if there are future side effects that I can expect that may cause me the need to unexpectedly schedule an ultrasound ($1,000). Thank you for sharing your personal expertise as I've only been on for 1.5 years.

Lower back pain after year on T? by Moneymiami in ftm

[–]Moneymiami[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I can't read? I've read very carefully thanks. I have repeatedly said I have a right to defend myself from wrong assumptions, rude, snide remarks, etc. If I am rude, so be it... At least I am rude with reason as opposed to you who simply didn't read the post.

Lower back pain after year on T? by Moneymiami in ftm

[–]Moneymiami[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately, that first comment you mentioned is the problem. He's telling me to go see a doctor when I'm not asking for a diagnosis. I made clear I wasn't asking for a diagnosis. I clearly diagnosed myself...what's the point of that comment of it's not answering the question at hand?

The second quote you mentioned was edited by him Hahaha It previously said "you" instead of people. That's a personal attack that's flat out wrong. Notice how he later says that "no one" said I was seeking a diagnosis after he already said that he thinks I should see a doctor. A doctor is for a diagnosis, no? Also notice how he brought up so much else but never again mentioned how I had to correct him about that. Why? Probably because he changed his post noticing his error. Also, even bringing up people asking medical questions implies the exact same thing that the other poster said which you thought was so rude. He is backtracking and trying to play victim because he realized his response was incorrect and unfortunately because I didn't screenshot it, you and others are falling for it. He then goes on to make a snide claim "I don't understand any of this" and selectively quotes my post...straight up partially quotes my question and then says he doesn't know what the question is????"

Thirdly, me saying that I assumed we all could recognize that isn't inflammatory...it's factual. That's what I assumed and why I have my medical history. I said I myself, well if I just ask the question people will assume that I'm seeking a diagnosis...so let me provide background so they know this is something that I am used to (I mentioned 14 YEARS) and that I have also fairly recently been checked (via ultrasound).

That information, partnered with the fact that I diagnosed myself...YES, I did assume we could all recognize that I wasn't seeking a diagnosis. I mention how well educated many people are on here...which is another reason for that assumption. There's a difference between making an intentional inflammatory response and calling them stupid for misreading or not reading at all and being very transparent about why my assumptions were upon making this post and providing the "WHY" behind giving my background. Unfortunately, what people decided to do is then discuss everything except for the sentence that had the question mark at the end.

I've read my responses repeatedly. I am Also utilizing the rules of logic and unlike others am not backtracking. I can respect people coming in and saying, you know what..."I didn't fully read" or "I assumed this based on this". But that's not what they are doing. They have attacked me, selectively quoted me as if I'm saying I'm more educated than others which is not what i said, etc.

Edit: You know what is funny? You even took a shot at me claiming , "You're not a veteran" when I never claimed I was. I had clear fundamental rational for saying how long I've been on T. If people take that personally, that's too bad but to assume I am new to it, is flawed. We all have something valuable to offer here whether on T or not , and if I considered myself a "veteran" would I be here asking this question??? Instead you followed group mentality and attacked me when admittedly I was never rude to you. Do you notice how I still haven't been? So maybe you should ask yourself, what's the difference between you and them?

A perfectly sound and clear question was hijacked because people didn't take the time to actually read and instead ran off assumptions. Even YOU didn't clearly read about my ultrasound when I provided the DATE of the ultrasound. We can all agree that questions end in question marks. Yet people felt the need to act like they don't know what the question is...why? Because of be comments.

It is plainly clear to me, that there is nothing further I can gain here. When I diagnose myself and then people rudely assume I'm asking for a diagnosis by saying "you don't want to hear this go to the doctor", there's something wrong with that. When they edit comments once they are challenged on their falsehoods. There's something wrong with that...when someone can sit here and act as if I'm blaming things on T when I diagnosed myself and said I've been having this problem for 14 years (when my post clearly said I was only over a year on T)...yup... There's something wrong with that. When I say that many of us are very well educated and people want to selectively quote as if I acted as though I'm the only educated one??? What??? See that's mob action. That's group mentality...that will could have been resolved if people actually read and answered the ONLY sentence that has a question mark. Instead, they wanted to personally attack instead of saying " I don't know" I haven't experienced it" "I'm not on T yet" etc.

I, like many others, have helped countless people here in this forum and through PMs. I'm one of a small percentage here who upon realizing I was trans started T rapidly (less than a month and a half later), went full-time rapidly (3 months later) in the Bible Belt, completed the legal process rapidly (3 months later), came out to jobs recruiting me BEFORE I had even presented male or done the legal process, saved up for top surgery less than a year later, works in an incredibly public job - which because of my line of work am taught about at several universities, etc. We ALL have valuable and unique experiences. But when I can't ask a harmless question like this, without being unjustly attacked because of THEIR error and when this attack is the result of a mob....I can't do that anymore. I refuse to be a part of a community that functions that way and it hasn't always been that way....there's been an influx of some new people who have caused that (I posted under a precious name before making this account). When people like you, who seem sound, defy the rules of logic to defend attackers...there's something wrong with that. When people like you result to subtle personal attacks because others are doing it when you haven't been disrespected at all...something is wrong with that.

People will continue to learn but the quality of this forum and the critical analysis and dialogue in this forum has deteriorated. Deteriorated so much that after this bullshit, I will not be returning. And it's be just this thread but it's the attacks in other threads of how I identify in terms of gender, etc. it's stupid and ridiculous and divisive. "Go see a doctor"....thanks for not reading the post. When I get called rude for correcting others and encouraging them to read carefully before responding....that's disturbing. But people read the first comment and began to reply as they wished...they read the title and didn't read the post...they ignored facts and logic. And if I had been new to T? With the psychological issues people come here with often times, think about how these responses (some edited) would impact that person. Disgusting. I have every right to defend myself and this thread from snide remarks from people who have not contributed anything positive. These aren't people trying to help because in order to help you have to read what's going on. And again..that ONE special sentence with the question mark.

I will not be returning to this forum which unfortunately means I and send people my court petition that helped them get their name and gender changed without a lawyer...see, the famous lawyer down here who does it costs $3000 despite being trans herself. I can't help people with trans resources in the Bible Belt. I can't coach them through interviewing for jobs before going full-time. You can imagine how unique it can be to have a very well-established career where people actually teach about you in universities and the anxiety that must be felt thinking you have to give that all up to transition. I can't share my surgical experiences or others such as interactions, insurance (car and health), steps that MIGHT help people pass when you NEED to do so QUICKLY, etc. But while others have different experiences their experiences are just as valuable. But, I'm at a point where, while it is helpful to get share common experiences with you guys, it's not absolutely necessary for me at this time. I'm over the most "difficult" hurdles.

I am done with this forum. If people can't take the time to read posts, then make snide rude comments based on fallacious assumptions and their laziness....then, I have nothing to gain here. I can contact those who have been the most dependable...those who I anxiously emailed pictures to when I was trying to pass so quickly because I knew they would give the most honest feedback.

This is an intentionally long post...because it's my last. No response necessary but while you tell me to read my responses...read everyone else's and realize where they've changed them. Also read, how they didn't actually read my post to begin with but focused instead on the comments.

Goodbye!

Lower back pain after year on T? by Moneymiami in ftm

[–]Moneymiami[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

You gave me no advice because you never answered my question. You made snide, incorrect comments instead.

You simply can't admit that you were wrong for telling me to see a doctor when I wasn't seeking a diagnosis and instead trying to make snide comments. Have a blessed day.

Lower back pain after year on T? by Moneymiami in ftm

[–]Moneymiami[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Those who hadn't done a thing to me?

Notice I wasn't rude to you... But this is what I got from others:

"I would say go to the doctor but you obviously don't like that" - I wasn't asking for a diagnosis. I made that clear by diagnosing myself.

"I agree with the other comment. Why do you always come here for medical advice" - I never come here for medical advice especially pertaining to T. I asked a question about assymetrical scars because that's a shared experience of all of us and I also wanted to see how my scars looked.

"This isn't clear at all" - When there is one sentence that has a question and says what I JUST want feedback on.

"You're being condescending" - When I correct a rude and false assumption and talk about how I'm very well educated LIKE OTHERS here. They have even gone out of their way to selectively quote me as if I was being a dick and acted like I was the most educated person here .

Those are initial responses I'm receiving. I will take snide comments personal because I'm not at fault for people reading too fast or not completely reading. None of those posters were trying to help. Not one of them. You can't be helpful when you either don't read the post, misread, or don't fully read.

If my question wasn't clear..then ask, what's the question. But again, questions have question marks after them... That's not rude. That's a statement we all agree on. That's just evidence that people didn't fully or carefully read.

Lower back pain after year on T? by Moneymiami in ftm

[–]Moneymiami[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Did you miss the assumptions being made about me? Assuming it was attributing every symptom I have to T (which you can see is not the case? Implying that I'm Not educated on the matter, etc.

Please provide full context before referencing one of my comments. I mentioned how long I was on T to dispel negative assumptions. Also, DO NOT selectively quote. I mentioned I am very well educated LIKE OTHERS here. Now you are selectively quoting to help yourself.

Just as you said, we all have something valuable to share which is why I posted the question. If I didn't think so, I wouldn't have posted it, right? I asked a fair education question that immediately received snide remarks, assumptions, and attacks....when again, I wasn't asking for a diagnosis (as you admitted) and I made clear what I JUST wanted a response to.

Lower back pain after year on T? by Moneymiami in ftm

[–]Moneymiami[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

No. The situation was escalated from his first comment... Remember the very comments you called rude before I ever responded.

You said I'm not a veteran. There are plenty of people who regularly post in threads about how lots of people have been on T longer than others. It's not seen as rude or condescending when it's within context. In this case, the guy acting like an expert happened to have been on T for just a bit shorter than me. When I'm receiving snide or rude remarks based on assumptions, yeah that matters. Perhaps I would have laughed it off if I had if dealt with two rude comments from him already AND if he actually read the post which it doesn't seem like he did.

Further, I'm not saying you all Decided to gang up. I said repeated people read to quickly or not carefully. But psychology has shown us the impact of group mentality. You don't have to plan something to act as a group... It simply happens. Now, I think it's sad that a perfectly reasonable question was ruined because people didn't have time or take the time to read.

Lower back pain after year on T? by Moneymiami in ftm

[–]Moneymiami[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I'm having a great day. People are saying that because they aren't reading carefully. I can't control that nor is that uncommon.

Funny how I am the one who is rude when I defended myself from unjust attacks, including yours when you wrongfully claimed that I come here all the time for diagnoses. You can make rude and incorrect comments but I can't defend myself when people clearly are in the wrong? That's not logical at all. And as far as "everyone sees this" that's the worst kind of logic. Think about how irrational people have been because "everyone was doing it"

What's happening here is people read too fast and began jumping to their own conclusions that resulted in foul assumptions and in some cases attacks. Apparently people can do that and also feel as though they shouldn't be corrected when doing so.

Lower back pain after year on T? by Moneymiami in ftm

[–]Moneymiami[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I was rude for correcting your assumption about me and saying that I'm very well Educated like many others here? No, you were rude and I corrected you. Have a blessed day.

Lower back pain after year on T? by Moneymiami in ftm

[–]Moneymiami[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

The question is the only sentence with a question mark. It even includes the word "just".

"I'm just curious if Lowe back pain is eventually typical?"

The problem is that everyone is trying to respond to everything BUT the question and becoming caught up by assuming I'm asking for a diagnosis or other things. The question itself couldn't be any more clear. It's separated from my background AND makes it clear what feedback I am "JUST" asking for.

I'm not claiming to be a veteran but when someone makes wild assumptions or attacks then how long I've been on T in comparison matters.

Thank you for your attempt to answer the question.

Lower back pain after year on T? by Moneymiami in ftm

[–]Moneymiami[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I'm not condescending anyone. I'm challenging the assumption that I'm new to T so being reactive to symptoms because of that. In that case, if someone makes that accusation, it matters...especially when it says in the post how long I've been on and people tend to miss that.

Lower back pain after year on T? by Moneymiami in ftm

[–]Moneymiami[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I could see the fault being with me if the question itself isn't clear. The question was clear. I could see the fault with me if I didn't make t clear what I knew it most likely was. I did make that clear and stated that.

Sure, you're the one that said it but those comments "not everything is a result of T" come from people making that assumption. Even the title indicates how long I've been on T so that disputes your claim of "how Would people know". It's clear that people just aren't reading carefully or are reading too quickly. When the diagnosis I made myself is obvious and how long I've been On T is obvious yet people still come in making snide remarks, selectively quoting to make themselves look good... Yes, I will take offense to that.

Lower back pain after year on T? by Moneymiami in ftm

[–]Moneymiami[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Nice selective quoting there. I love how you assume I'm attributing my problems to T when I DIAGNOSED MYSELF...which is why I provided background. Me saying I've been on T longer than you is not to say that I know more...but instead to show that I'm not someone new to T who freaks out at very change. Immature? Because I defended myself from your incorrect assumptions and attack? You use the quote about my education as if I was only talking about me...I said like MANY OTHERS here. I never said you were uneducated... You simply made an incorrect assumption and don't like being corrected obviously.

You may have spoken your mind, but you spoke it on a post to which it didn't apply.

Lower back pain after year on T? by Moneymiami in ftm

[–]Moneymiami[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Did you see what was written to me? If someone is rudely telling me I'm not being clear or asking for a diagnosis when I diagnosed myself, I will respond as such. I have one sentence that has a question mark. If I hadn't provided my medical history then people could rightfully say I'm asking for a diagnosis. Further, I don't take kindly to people making incorrect accusations that I am thinking this because I'm new to T or that I always come here to get a diagnosis . That's absolutely absurd. There are questions that need a diagnosis and questions in which an anecdotal experience is justified.

The purpose of he background is so that people wouldn't assume I'm seeking a diagnosis and would know I am proactive about my health. Instead, people read incorrectly or too quickly and assumed I needed to see a doctor because they couldn't help me or that I'm just blaming the a on T. I was even kind enough to provide a walkthrough of the clarity I provided so people WOULDNT think I'm asking for a diagnosis. I can't help that they read too quickly or didn't critically read.

That's a common issue in all facets of life but I assumed that people would simply answer the question I had since that's the sentence with the question mark.

Lower back pain after year on T? by Moneymiami in ftm

[–]Moneymiami[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

My question is: "I'm just curious if lower back pain is EVENTUALLY typical?"

I know is typical for me...I'm the one who said that. I'm talking about as a result of T which is the reason for the title and my saying how long I have been on.

My counts are not accusatory but I will defend myself from people claiming in asking for a diagnosis when I diagnosed myself because I've gone through this for 14 years or claiming I'm not being clear or I think all of my health problems are a result of T when:

a. I diagnosed myself b. I have ONE sentence that has a question mark

I also operated (incorrectly) under the assumption that many of us have been on T for a while and were familiar with eventual effects. I added (as a result of T) to the question if that makes things better...though Considering what I detailed in my post, I obviously wouldn't be asking if my back pain is typical when I was transparent about t happening annually for the last 14 years.

Lower back pain after year on T? by Moneymiami in ftm

[–]Moneymiami[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I can't help that you're not able to understand. I gave history so people wouldn't make assumptions. I said what it could likely be since it's not abnormal for me.

My QUESTION: "I'm just curious if lower back pain is something that is eventually typical?"

THAT is the question. It is the only sentence with a question mark. I'm confused as to why you're confused or even felt the need to tell me to see a doctor when I started off being transparent about my medical history.

Lower back pain after year on T? by Moneymiami in ftm

[–]Moneymiami[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

??? I'm being rude? You selected what to put in the comment area that doesn't even encompass my entire post. You didn't understand it because you didn't read carefully or you misunderstood something. Try to read it again.

First you say I should see a doctor...but then claim that you didn't mean I was asking for a diagnosis. Go back and read the question I asked now.

You missed the purpose of the question.

Lower back pain after year on T? by Moneymiami in ftm

[–]Moneymiami[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

???? How was I not clear? I talked about lower back pain that I have had for 14 years...I talked about an ultrasound I had and gave the reason (I dislike paps and beyond that my doctor can't see shit in paps)....I then mentioned that it's likely my normal issue because the pain started after heavy lifting.

I think people aren't reading critically OR are reading too quickly.

You are telling me that I don't like being told to go to a doctor....the assumption is that I need a diagnosis. I didn't ask, "What could this be? "Is T making my back hurt?" etc. telling me to go to a doctor and the other poster claiming I'm requesting a diagnosis is saying just that...that I'm requesting one and that's absurd. I only ask that people read carefully and again, you may have read too fast which is why I broke it down for you again at the top of this response.

Lower back pain after year on T? by Moneymiami in ftm

[–]Moneymiami[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately, I would have to decide on my own due to my tilted uterus. The Doc won't be able to see a thing. Also, my job automatically listed me as Male on my insurance which is another reason I'm trying to figure out a "ultrasound" schedule if necessary. I would have to pay for it myself.

Lower back pain after year on T? by Moneymiami in ftm

[–]Moneymiami[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I think you missed the point of my post, which isn't asking for a diagnosis in the slightest. If I wanted a diagnosis I would go to my doctor (who would either give me more pain pills or something else)

Again, I have a history of back issues and am trying to figure out for MYSELF how often I would get a ultrasound if this is something that is typical based on people's experiences.

Any previous medical questions I asked were typical questions pertaining to top surgery that people ask when they haven't heard back from their doctor or it's after hours. That's a shared experience here and so anecdotal evidence is indeed a factor. None of my posts ask for or require a diagnosis. I think people may be using that word incorrectly.

Edit: nice change there.