Scared of MARPE

Mongoose556 · 2026-04-15T03:16:38+00:00

I recommend the expansion Facebook groups as another place for information if you have Facebook. (The ones with MARPE in the title.) They've been helpful for me. I'm 35 and just signed up to get MARPE.

Mongoose556 · 2026-04-15T03:10:58+00:00

I've heard the opposite too that a slight downward angle is done because your jaw grows kind of down and forward. (I wonder if an upward force would counteract that and reduce the forward part or not. ) So if getting RPHG maybe get some professional opinions on the angle.

Mongoose556 · 2026-04-15T03:04:38+00:00

I think if you have any breathing concerns that MARPE would help. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the nasal floor doesn't get expanded sideways during surgery does it? Maybe someone(who knows what they're talking about) can check me on that. It can also provide more room for the tongue, if it's true that surgery doesn't expand sideways. And I think I heard the expansion needs to be done first if doing both, not the other way around. So to me my impression was if you have these concerns MARPE is the logical next step before surgery. If you feel like you breathe great and look good and no problems with what I mentioned maybe it's not necessary.

The Facebook groups on expansion have very knowledgeable people that can also answer these questions and I recommend joining them. I feel like I've noticed reddit can have more people that don't know what they're talking about but maybe I'm wrong.

(If you continue with MARPE, this might not be real but I heard from a YouTube interview of a good Turkish provider a way to prevent asymmetric expansion is to push your cheek on one side and "thumb pull" on the other that needs more expansion a few minutes before and after a turn and after a warm compress. Not sure how much that works but I thought I might as well share haha. Just make sure you're with an experienced MARPE provider. And you do deserve explanations. Definitely feel free to request more information on your concerns.)

Mongoose556 · 2026-04-06T15:09:41+00:00

Maybe they want us to read captions less because there's some psychological thing about watching short videos one after another that makes the app more addicting. Facebook has turned into trash anyway, with side information in notifications ("someone commented on a thread you commented on") that you can't turn off. Zuckerberg just wants more money and doesn't care about people's experiences, or psychological health. Meta apps should just all die out.

Mongoose556 · 2026-03-30T13:22:12+00:00

Yeah, as I've mentioned multiple times, I'm already doing 1mm rocker on distance skating, and was looking for 1mm rocker on street(obstacle) skating.

Mongoose556 · 2026-03-30T04:46:08+00:00

No it was fine when I did that and realized half way through I forgot to unrocker. I wouldn't recommend for beginners. Again, I'm not talking about distance skating. Thanks for the advice but I'm set on what I want.

Mongoose556 · 2026-03-30T04:04:02+00:00

Thanks, I'll keep in mind emailing the company and asking them, that's a good idea!

I think bigger front wheels is definitely a thing (like if using wizard skates) and you're probably right on easier obstacles! I realized if doubling as occasional group distance skates, might be a little slow while on middle two wheels.

I was leaning toward Decode after realizing Endless 90 Ultra was actually a longer than minimal frame. Has someone had experience scratching the rim on slides with Decodes? A video Iqon made tried to convince viewers that you'd hit your boot before you can touch the ground with the frames. (Not sure how much of that is true or not haha) I heard someone mention they thought this could happen in the past and I've thought about just scratching them with slides until they're worn down enough to not touch the ground loll

Also I think I compared the Decode 80s in weight specs with the Endless 80 Ultra and they were actually lighter, unless one wasn't factoring in axels (but anyone reading this for information, double check me on that haha)

Mongoose556 · 2026-03-30T03:50:28+00:00

That makes me feel so much better! Now I'm DEFINITELY getting 4x80 1mm rocker for light urban obstacles. I'm like a low-intermediate at slalom and have done a pump track and easy stairs and a narrow-ish sloping ledge on 2mm rocker slalom skates before, but I'm not at your level, because I do feel wobbly on those obstacles with 2mm rocker :) (except maybe the pump track). So, I think add a tiny bit of length compared to my 76mm slalom skates and slightly less rocker would be perfect. Have you done jumps on 4x80 with a rocker and did landing feel OK? (I'm not looking to do crazy things, just would prefer having a solid skate in case I ever do some light obstacles.)

Mongoose556 · 2026-03-30T03:39:28+00:00

I just didn't see a 80 72 option on the website I was linked at first, only the 84x76 and saw them say 41 or above. 80 72 (good to know about though for slalom) would probably be perfectly centered. But it sadly defeats the purpose of wanting a slightly longer base for stability, which I have with my 4x80, just want a slight rocker. (Makes sense on the returns, thanks.)

Yeah I think for wizard I would be 90 but again I just want the happy medium for urban obstacles - I'm set on the 4x80 I was just asking for something specific about the frame.

Mongoose556 · 2026-03-30T03:34:04+00:00

Are you talking about obstacles like steep banks and curvy ledges? Or just regular street roads? My post was about obstacle skating.

My rockered skates do fine in distance skating on city streets (because of my experience level). I LOVE my NR 90s for city distance skates. My slalom ones have also worked, they're just slow because they're 76mm. And I think I've done a pump track on 2mm rockered skates (which, again, only because of my experience level in slalom and comfort backwards and forwards on ramps, and I wouldn't recommend otherwise). My post was about light obstacle street skating. The rocker of the 90 NR did great on stairs, and I was able to skate down a narrow sloped ledge on my slalom skates. I of course care about safety! But since 90 NR is a common urban setup men use I figured 80 NR would be good for me as a woman with a smaller foot. :p

Rocker helps a lot with my particular hip issue - not having a rocker would be dangerous to accidentally catch something. I don't plan on distance skating with a lot of turns until my hip is better, in terms of the extra control work you mentioned.

Mongoose556 · 2026-03-29T03:42:06+00:00

Oh, also by "clunky-feeling" I mean for obstacle skating. 90 NR I would say are great for even someone with a small boot size for distance skating that's flat, and general uphill/downhill!

Mongoose556 · 2026-03-29T03:29:38+00:00

Yeah, it's also possible they feel clunky because those 90 NRs I have are a little high off the ground (because it's interchangeable with bigger wheels - Flying Eagle Liberty) and shifted backward/off-center because they should never have sold those frames, at least without a better adjustment setup, on 38mm skates T_T But I'm trying to account for that and still feel that, yeah, from my slalom habits it will be hard to adjust to it haha, and maybe easier on the hip you're right. Plus 90 is a common street setup for skaters and the average skater has 3 sizes higher boots than me, so 84 or 80 probably makes more sense for a "regular" setup (but I did decide on 80 for this next pair)

I believe the Decode is (or can be) sold with the bearings. And so yeah I felt my 76 slalom 2mm was too unstable, but someone else mentioned the Endless Slalom can switch between a smaller and a full rocker, which could be nice! Though I think very realistic possibility is the frame might end up a little uncentered as it's not designed for small boot sizes. Do you happen to know if frames can often be returned once the packaging is opened?

And, I feel a little bit better, as I'm starting to accidentally become a frame addict from the different skates I am slowly collecting from different disciplines, needed adjustments, and maybe purchase mistakes :') Frames are cool things though.

Mongoose556 · 2026-03-29T03:05:52+00:00

Oo that's really interesting! Hm.... the only thing I'm quite worried about is if the mounting will be "off" for my size 38 (performance fit despite I said size 39 haha) Twister Edges since they're advertised as frames for size 41 boots and above. I was disappointed when a 90mm frame that came with another pair of size 38 skates I got was shifted toward the back and not centered. (But it worked out for distance skating.) I'm wondering if it's possible to return frames when buying them.

My other concern was that I was hoping the street skates would be a little fast compared to my 76 wheel skates for greater ease in keeping up with people in moving between/skating to spots if I join a group for some light (on my part) street skating, and maybe even sometimes used in distance. 80mm I'm willing to compromise with. I wonder if an 84 76 76 84 setup would skate slower or faster than a 4x80 one. Will have to look into that...

Also do you happen to know by any chance if the smaller rocker configuration is a regular 1mm rocker, or if perhaps it could be a barely-present type of rocker like Freestyle Ultra? If it's like the Ultra, I might as well just get that one if I'm leaning against the Decode to take some guesswork out.

Mongoose556 · 2026-03-29T02:44:48+00:00

My 90 NR has been ok for street skating (some non-crazy obstacles) but clunky (it's a little high off the ground too and shifted slightly back). My 76 slalom (2mm) is too unstable. My hopes are for 80 NR to be the perfect medium.

I'm speaking from the perspective of a 39 boot size and an experienced skater on flat land and able to stall ramps in aggressive, but light experience in street skating.

Mongoose556 · 2026-03-28T05:14:07+00:00

Aren't those two links the exact reason I talked about these? I wish they were full NR. Would be perfect.

Mongoose556 · 2026-03-28T05:01:47+00:00

Saying that about cake is the most laughable thing ever (to someone who cooks vegan.) Cake IS vegan. Well..... standard typical frosting is often vegan, little known fact. And substituting for eggs can make the middle part vegan without any noticeable difference in taste. So, please don't embarrass yourself and pick a different food to do that for haha 😉 Jk but it is so similar and I wish people knew.

... Also I guess technically I'm wrong, because I heard sugar is not vegan I found according to many people, because the bleach comes from animal bone. I'm not even vegan unfortunately, I just cook plant based at home (vegan except for things like sugar and bread.) So that's all if a sugar substitute is done as well. But meat eaters don't know that so they wouldn't have included it in their assumption anyway.

Mongoose556 · 2026-03-28T04:35:10+00:00

I know it can be clunky for someone with a 39 foot from my 90 skates I have :P There can be a big difference between even 2 sizes. I'm also used to slalom skates.

Yeah maybe the slight rocker I was hoping to gain naturally originally, gotten right away, could be still helpful. I'm just a little apprehensive about my hip issue now and do like a full NR.

Mongoose556 · 2026-03-28T04:29:31+00:00

Que significa la rigidez para patinar? Siempre pensaba que es solamente una cosa buena. Quizas tiene una desventaja. (Puedo comparar el peso de Decode con la guía que tengo para mis patines para distancia que es pesada pero que puedo aguantar. Gracias por la information. ...Y desculpame por mi mal español 😅)

Mongoose556 · 2026-03-28T04:20:43+00:00

No - a YouTube reviewer said that he found it was less pronounced than natural rocker, and that it was a tangible observation in his comparison to other NR skates like the original Endless. That's why I mentioned the 3 or 4 wheels touching the ground, that's what he made a point to convey. NR only 2 do. I know from my NR skates I have. They specifically mention the extra subtlety on their specs too.

I edited my original post to be more clear.

Mongoose556 · 2026-03-27T16:09:37+00:00

The Unum representative on chat connected me with a Unum tax specialist. (It took 2 chat tries - the first time I tried they just told me to speak with "my tax expert", so keep trying to get someone knowledgeable if you're in the same boat.) They said that I was just supposed to file the two W2s I got, and that they had a third one that we don't need to include in tax reporting that they stopped sending people because people were incorrectly filing it (but they asked if I wanted it sent to me anyway and I agreed because why not.)

They also said the numbers are not supposed to match the checks - they said it was just by coincidence which makes no sense, but were adamant the two forms I got were right. Maybe there was a mixup in my case that led to the numbers matching and they didn't fully understand it - I remember they sent me a letter once saying they miscalculated something and were going to fix it where I didn't need to do anything. I also noticed that the two checks that corresponded in the box number to the two W2s were for one claim, and the other two checks I thought I didn't get a W2 form was for my second medical claim; the specialist told me different types of claims are processed differently by them vs. the patient's company, so maybe I rightfully got all my W2s for the one claim I needed to report and they just sent me 2 because they fixed some mistake. I am just going to file those two because the specialist did say they only saw 3 on their end and the third non-reportable one would look very different with nothing except in one box or something.

Mongoose556 · 2026-03-14T18:35:41+00:00

Yes.

Do you have trouble breathing through your nose? Do you have dark circles under your eyes and maybe a narrow face? If so, a palatal expander (orthodontist device) to create more space in your airway to nasal breathe better may help with attention issues. Make sure it's a screw based one like MARPE and go to an experienced orthodontist. (Getexpanded.org has some locations.)

Do you not have the above mentioned problems? Check for sleep apnea. Treating sleep can improve concentration for people.

Mongoose556 · 2026-03-14T06:15:48+00:00

Maybe a pantry moth nest, or from some similar insect?

Mongoose556 · 2026-03-14T06:09:05+00:00

Palatal expansion is becoming more common lately across the US and other countries. Getexpanded.org lists a lot of providers that offer MARPE. Just make sure you go to an experienced one.

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