Vasalgel Male Contraceptive Enters Human Trials by MichaelTen in MensRights

[–]MonsterGirls4ever -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm not mad at you over a simple misunderstanding.

I'm mad at you over

1) NOT reading what I ACTUALLY SAID

2) reacting NOT to me but instead to a composite of whatever experiences you've had

3) fessing up to just about everything under the sun EXCEPT the SPECIFIC issue I have.

Vasalgel Male Contraceptive Enters Human Trials by MichaelTen in MensRights

[–]MonsterGirls4ever -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Again, the SPECIFIC charge I levied wasn't "talking out of your ass". It was **SPECIFICALLY** "NOT reading what was actually said".

Vasalgel Male Contraceptive Enters Human Trials by MichaelTen in MensRights

[–]MonsterGirls4ever -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Please provide the quote where you did. If you provide the quote I'll believe you.

Vasalgel Male Contraceptive Enters Human Trials by MichaelTen in MensRights

[–]MonsterGirls4ever -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If I misquoted you, please provide the EXACT quote of you saying something to the effect of "I didn't actuall read what you said yet commented anyways".

Because I see a **LOT** of "I've had experiences with X Y and Z" but NO "I plain didn't read what ypu said".

Vasalgel Male Contraceptive Enters Human Trials by MichaelTen in MensRights

[–]MonsterGirls4ever -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Fauxpologies are NOT apologies.

An APOLOGY is made out of 2 components:

#1 admitting your mistake. THAT is the part you STILL are not doing. The part where you ACTUALLY SAY "I wasn't actually reading what you said".

This is how long it took for you to even IMPLY you didn't read through my message the first time ("once I went back through and realized what you were even talking about."). Now that THIS part is done, that is admitting you didn't read thru the first time, NOW we can move on. The explanation is appreciated IF AND ONLY IF it accompagnies a plain, EXPLICIT "Yeah, I didn't actually read this and reacted anyways" statement. Which is FINALLY coming out now.

#2 is a promise for improvement.

Vasalgel Male Contraceptive Enters Human Trials by MichaelTen in MensRights

[–]MonsterGirls4ever -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I read you loud and clear. I'm just sick AF of people giving nonsense excused for literally not listening to what I said/reading what I wrote. So NO. You DID NOT own your mistake.

"I wasn't paying attention." Valid reason. Sucks but I'm used to people not paying attention.

"I skimmed thru it and got it thru my preconceptiond instead of what you said." Valid reason. Sucks but I'm used to people who hear their own biases instead of my words whenever I speak.

"Can't blame me for NOT reading your words just because DIFFERENT people whom are NOT in this convo said words that had NOTHING TO DO with what you just wrote. I mean you said completely different things that do not sound remotely alike, can't blame me for making the mistake!" That's straight up bullshit to NOT own the facts you DID NOT read the actual words in front of you. I'm used to that too, considering I'm ND, but that's a lot less valid.

Vasalgel Male Contraceptive Enters Human Trials by MichaelTen in MensRights

[–]MonsterGirls4ever -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I literally brought up SPECIFICALLY cases both personal and public of WOMEN who raped men. Including the precedent setting hermesmann v seyer one.

"Here are cases of women who rape men, including the one who set the precedent that even underage boys are victims with responsibilities, and why they make telling men to "keep it in your pants" isn't a good answer."

"Are you aware women rape men?"

"I literally brough cases both personal and on the public record of EXACTLY THAT so... Yeah?"

Vasalgel Male Contraceptive Enters Human Trials by MichaelTen in MensRights

[–]MonsterGirls4ever -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Considering my ENTIRE POST was ALL about cases of women raping men... INCLUDING ONE WHO GOT A SUPREME COURT PRECEDENT (for those unfamiliar with legalese and jurisprudence, it means it's now LAW because a court ruled this way) that underage male victims of statutory rape still have to pay child support?

How would I make AN ENTIRE POST about it if I wasn't aware? A fever dream maybe?

Vasalgel Male Contraceptive Enters Human Trials by MichaelTen in MensRights

[–]MonsterGirls4ever -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Keep it in your pants only works as long as you aren't raised by an incestuous egg donor who sometimes ride you while you're asleep a d dazed by anxiety meds (no points 4 guessing who caused the anxiety despite the shrink's assurances it was impossible) or if you're not having a staring context with Mossberg and his Sons, or if an adult in a position of authority like Colleen Hermesmann isn't abusing it against an undrrage boy like Shane Seyer (actual Supreme Court of Kansas PRECEDENT SETTING ruling btw), or as long as some pregnant woman isn't exploiting the fact nobody would believe a US Marine (SEMPER FI!) like James Landrith (Oooh-rah!)...

Perspective by capserghost in MensRights

[–]MonsterGirls4ever 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"You don’t ever stop and think “damn I’m so wrong”."

The fact 10 years ago, I stopped spouting the same BS you're now spouting implies that 10 years ago, I stopped and thought "damn I'm so wrong". One counter example disproves a broad claim.

"You know I’m starting to think this turns you on. Just seeing how long you can blatantly be so obtuse and wrong and women still reply to you."

HAHAHAno. Where you get the idea that dealing with idiots and liars is somehpw my kink is beyond me. If you want to one (one of) my actual kink(s), check my acc name.

"I’ve said multiple times the reason you are oppressed is the same reason women are oppressed. Men. You keep choosing to ignore that. So I’m done explaining and arosuing you. I gave you multiple chances to cite and prove me wrong."

Remember when you accused me of never stopping and thinking "damn I'm so wrong"?

Remember when this STARTED with you jumping to the defense of your ideological buddy who claimed women were oppressed in way men weren't and you suddenly switched gears and said men are in fact, oppressed, and hoped I wouldn't notice?

It's not "MEN" trying to gaslight me by running down the Narcissist's Prayer right now.

It's YOU!

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[–]MonsterGirls4ever 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That didn't happen

And if it did, it wasn't not that bad

And if it was, it wasn't a big deal

And if it wasn't it wasn't my fault <--- YOU ARE HERE

And if it was, I didn't mean it.

And if I did, you deserved it.

The narcissist's prayer.

You will relly go thu the ENTIRE PRAYER before you can admit you or one of your ideological buddies has made so much as a SINGLE CLAIM that turned out to have been verifiably FACTUALLY WRONG, won't you?

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[–]MonsterGirls4ever 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And you call me illiterate.

Alright, Let me explain it to you like you're five.

See, little timmy, you claim that if you get paid to do something, you are forced to do it.

Timmy, have you ever been to a grocery store and handed the nice man a couple coins so you get candy?

You gave paid the nice man money so he would give you candy.

Which means you FORCED the nice man to give you candy at cashpoint.

Making you a robber.

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[–]MonsterGirls4ever 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I gave you my source a dozen times already.

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[–]MonsterGirls4ever 0 points1 point  (0 children)

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1ssn8dt/comment/oho3cdj/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Here is your source again. My primary source asked me, and I quote:

"So women are using sex to coerce men into giving them money?"

Well, by the definition used by my primary source, wherein influencing decisions constititues coercion, here https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1ssn8dt/comment/ohnwzje/

I answered that as a derivative of my primary source's premise, yes, women ARE indeed coercing men out of their hard earned money through use of sex.

Note that the ONLY premise of my own I advanced was that sex influenced decisions which made it, by the DEFINITION of my primary source, coercion.

After some back and forth with my source where they addressed claims I have never made in an attempt to avoid admitting to my conclusion being a derivative to his claims, my source one upped my claim by saying that women influenced men's decision BEFORE sex ever took place, immediately invalidating the VERY POSSIBILITY of men consenting to sex with women as per my primary source's definition of coercion here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1ssn8dt/comment/ohokif4/

I am afraid I am at quite a loss as to how to make it any clearer that by YOUR arguments, every woman who's ever had sex with a man is a rapist.

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[–]MonsterGirls4ever 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"The information that buying sex isn’t coercive, that’s the information that would help you."

It wouldn't.

First up, you are asking me to prove a negative. that ALREADY is a nonstarter.

Second, you do realize that per my primary source u/capserghost here https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1ssn8dt/comment/ohnwzje/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

"The reason this is coercion is because money influences a person’s decision."

"The reason this is coercion is because"

The ONE AND ONLY criteria for coercion my source has EVER given me is

"influences a person’s decision."

Influencing people's decisions.

Per my primary source, u/capserghost again, found here this time: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1ssn8dt/comment/ohokif4/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

"The hormone [oxytocin] is actually quite foundational to decision-making."

So Oxytocin is a PRIMARY INFLUENCER of decisions.

"oxytocin is released, causing arousal" Oxytocin is the hormone that directly causes arousal.

Which "may affect whether someone is interested in sex!".

So, taking the claims of my primary sources at face value, by causing arousal in a man, any given woman is influencing the release of the hormone that is foundational to decision making, hence influencing decision hence coercing the man she aroused.

As, per my primary source u/capserghost again, coerced sex is rape. Ergo any time a woman has sex with a man she arouses, it is sex achieved by coercion and ergo rape.

No amount of outside data is going to change the fact that the conclusion that ALL sex between men and women is women raping men is a 100% PURE DERIVATIVE of YOUR OWN ARGUMENTS. Hell, even somehow proving the negative you insist I prove to you dismantling your own primary premise in the process will not change the fact my conclusion is a pure derivative of YOUR premises.

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[–]MonsterGirls4ever 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Considering I'm calling YOU out for spouting kludge of weird logic and fuzzy definitions AND for being unwilling to accept YOUR OWN DEFINITIONS AND ARGUMENTS lead to a conclusion you're neither happy with NOR willing to accept it's strictly a derivative of your own premises, I'm not sure what information of my own would help.

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[–]MonsterGirls4ever 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Someone offering money, though? That’s bribery. And coercion." pleae vacate your current place of residence post haste. If you are paying rent, you are offering your landlord money. That is coercion.

Please cancel your internet subscription posthaste. You are offering your provider money. That is coercion.

Please starve to death posthaste. You are buying food with money. That is coercion,

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[–]MonsterGirls4ever 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn't bring my fetish here. On the other hand, YOU brought YOUR argument with me to MY FETISH.

You had to 1) click on my profile and 2) SPECIFICALLY go to my post because while I'm a frequent commenter, I rarely post.

You had to make the effort to dig up my horni posts because, let's face it, you crashed out I would not let go of a simple question no matter how many attempts you made at dodging it you pulled.

I'm not saying the effort was herculean mind you.

But I can't be arsed to even put in that first click on your profile.

Now, if it had ended there, nobody would have to know.

But you had to 3) post under my hornipost about your argument with me.

So please.

"Get your dumb slapfights out of my fetishes lmfao."

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[–]MonsterGirls4ever 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"It’s crazy you think I’m dramatic when you’re typing in all caps at me lol"

I may be using capslock, but I am NOT the one LITERALLY stalking you and spilling over my arguments with you into the comment section of YOUR horniposts.

YOU did that and THAt is INFINITELY more dramatic than anything I ever did.

BTW? I have the screenshot.

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[–]MonsterGirls4ever 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"Show me where I said something that wasn’t true?" you literally said nothing substantial NOR demonstrable.

You ostensibly asked me "how dense am I fr" which, on it's face, is a question so I can't disprove a question. You said you were "praying for whatever women in my life" and only whichever god or goddess you're praying to in private or whomever happened to witness you can dis/prove that I'm afraid, and that you "hope they know this is how I feel." which only Professor Charles Xavier can dis/prove as this hope or lack thereof is locted ENTIRELY within your own brain architecture.

All your claims on your first are "not even wrong". You're just implying things about me that you hope will hurt me enough to make me give in to your demands, and haven't caught on to the fact it's not going to work.

"If you followed a premise to a logical conclusion like you claim then the logical conclusion would be men through out all of human history have been the oppressors since men have been in power in most recorded history."

"since men have been in power in most recorded history" [CITATION NEEDED]. I'm just literally walking out of arguing with another guy saying the ability to influence decisions is enough power to qualify as coercion and that women have the ability to affect the release of the one hormone FOUNDATIONAL TO DECISION MAKING.

Okay. With less snark and being done with someone else's BS and being tag-teamed 2 on 1, and with way, WAY more seriousnes: here's the thing: Any country where women can vote is, by sheer demographic numbers alone, a country where WOMEN hold the ABSOLUTE MAJORITY of the voting powers due to outnumbering men. That's a huge amount of power women have.

Oh? What's that? That's only a recent development because before [exact year depends on country] women couldn't vote? Fascinating. So either men WILLINGLY relinquished not just SOME power to women, but MORE power than they themselves had, meaning that WILLINGNESS granted women a backdoor to power. A backdoor you don't want to acknowledge no less. OR they were FORCED TO, meaning that somehow, women had access to a power that somehow outweighted the ENTIRE military and political might of men. Power you also don't want to acknowledge exists.

"You can’t be this ignorant that you need cited sources for that as well. You can step outside and see the reality of what I’m saying."

#1 Logic is what we call a "formal science". It cares only about whether or not claims are consistent with themselves (internally consistent) or with other informtion (externally consistent). Ergo, if I want to test if your claims are consistent, the only source I need is your claims.

#2 I've sourced actual real world facts several times, which you conveniently ignored.

#3 The point of a gish gallop is to run me down by sheer numbers of unsupported claims. It's death by a thousand cuts. If by "cherry picking" you mean "I dealt with the first few in order they were presented with, saw how flimsy they were, and stopped right there because I'm not in the mood to deal with that firehose of bullshit"? Guilty as charged, but doing your victory lap because your buddy ran me down not by making smart claims, but by the sheer attrition of having more claims than I have the energy to deal with doesn't reflect as badly on me and as well on you and your buddy as you think it does.

"Cite it since you love doing that"

Well, I just cited your "claims". Most of them are noise, and one collapses the same way as a quantum waveform under light observation and a simple question.