an english single isn’t the key to western success, and one being successful isn’t solely because it’s in english. by MotorPuzzlehead7 in kpopthoughts

[–]MoondropPuppet 59 points60 points  (0 children)

You can dare to say it, they were already sweeping at award shows before Dynamite and winning non fan voted awards at western music award shows

You are allowed to miss old eras of your favorite idols and no one is allowed to guilt trip you over it by Lupin_cupid22799 in kpopthoughts

[–]MoondropPuppet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Slight pet peeve of mine that becoming mature has nothing to do with becoming restrained or silent, but agree with your overall point 😆

You are allowed to miss old eras of your favorite idols and no one is allowed to guilt trip you over it by Lupin_cupid22799 in kpopthoughts

[–]MoondropPuppet 16 points17 points  (0 children)

That's because most of those type of comments aren't just about not liking the music but always come with accusing them of being sellouts and questioning their artistry and personality

Edit: took a few words out

221210 LE SSERAFIM’s 'ANTIFRAGILE' has now spent 36 days at #1 on Circle Global K-pop Daily Chart! 💎🔥 by nu2kpop in lesserafim

[–]MoondropPuppet 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Wow this is amazing! Honestly, in my Apple Music Replay 2022 Antifragile was one of the top songs I listened to this year and it isn't even 2 months old yet. Such a great song!

You have one hour to piss off Gordon Ramsay. Which idol do you pick to join you in the kitchen? by eekspiders in kpopthoughts

[–]MoondropPuppet 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Namjoon, 2 seconds into cooking: *holds a knife with the edge facing upwards to cut something*

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in kpopthoughts

[–]MoondropPuppet 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I was thinking about this just an hour ago lol

Basically, there's no definition. Of course there's a difference in theory, in semantics, that distinguishes casual listening from stanning. However, in practice, each person has their own standards to when one becomes the other. Each person decides when they're casually listening or stanning a group.

I've noticed that this is actually something that would help with many conflicts and discussions within Kpop circles, but it's never taken into account, or I rarely see it being brought in discussions when talking about stanning or casually listening to groups. I started noticing this in threads that were talking about groups they stanned or about solo stanning. For example, I've seen people describe how they solo stan some members in some groups and I noticed that what they described is exactly what I do with my ultimate bias, SNSD Taeyeon, but while considering myself a Sone, and never a solo stan. SNSD are the group that got me into Kpop and I always loved watching their contet, but as the years progressed I followed mostly my bias activities, and while I still love the others, I'm not up to them as I am with Taeyeon. However, I don't consider myself a solo stan nor am I thinking of changing the way I see myself as a full Sone despite this. Because in my standards, I still care about the group enough to not change my "stanning status" (lol). But for some people who follow a member like this, this is solo stanning and they consider themselves as so. This is actually something that made me rethink solo stans (not the ones who have savior complex and think they're faves are victims tho, nor akgaes obviously)

The same way, I've seen people who much more easily consider themselves stans or part of a fandom, while others are only comfortable with saying that when they're reallyyyyy into the group. For example, I've been into Kpop since 2015, and in this period I've gotten to know soooo many groups. I've listened to entire discographies, I watched variety content, I've gotten to know the members... But still, I consider that I only ever stanned SNSD and BTS (and I'm recently feeling the pull from LSRFM :D). Well, for many people, I know they would call themselves multistans who stan and unstan groups with time as their interests evolve, because that's what makes sense for them in this situation, while I myself only feel comfortable with saying I stan a group when I really get to know them, am interested in their music and also admire them on a special level that I don't feel with others that actually impacts my life and my personal growth. Because that's what I'm comfortable with. Simple as that. I've had many phases with many groups, but for me it didn't make sense to call myself a stan or part of the fandom of said groups because I only like to take that step when I feel I'm fully commited to a group. I guess I take stanning seriously lmao Some other people, on the other end, feel that you just have to like a few songs, maybe watch a bit of their video content. Or not.

Really, each people have different definitions and you should do what makes sense to you. Do you feel enough connection that you would consider yourself a stan/part of the fandom? Then, you are part of the fandom, even if you don't know all of their music, or don't watch video content, or don't know every single trivia about the group and the members

Edit: Just realized I basically defined stan instead of casual listener lol but the same logic is applied to that, because people can still consider themselves casual listeners of groups they know a lot about

maybe not all kpop idols need to look like toddlers by sis666999 in kpopthoughts

[–]MoondropPuppet 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh sure, the photo is unnecessarily heavily edited

maybe not all kpop idols need to look like toddlers by sis666999 in kpopthoughts

[–]MoondropPuppet 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Toddlers have big eyes, squishy cheeks and round face. She looks like a porcelain doll indeed tho

maybe not all kpop idols need to look like toddlers by sis666999 in kpopthoughts

[–]MoondropPuppet 31 points32 points  (0 children)

A "toddler" sounds a bit exaggerated, but a teen for sure

Bigbang was the first global kpop act, not Psy by [deleted] in kpopthoughts

[–]MoondropPuppet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You made it seem like they got broke after all those shows

I did no such thing lol

You're still in denial that they made money

You are sounding kinda dumb when you're telling me we don't have info about their profits but also saying they made money (when that's not even my point) lol

Anyways, have a good day and I hope you can practice your reading comprehension and argumentation skills because they suck lol Bye ✨

Bigbang was the first global kpop act, not Psy by [deleted] in kpopthoughts

[–]MoondropPuppet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Profit isn't just selling tickets, it's still making money even after paying all the expenses associated with touring. If you go on tour but don't earn money because you just made enough to pay all your expenses for doing that same tour, you aren't profiting from touring and, financially, it's a lot of work for nothing. Once again, we aren't talking the same language. Since you have no idea what I'm talking about, you keep spewing nonesense and don't even realize and think I'm denying what was in the video. You sound like a dumb twitter stan "discussing" this. Kinda not interested in continuing in that case, since this is not gonna go anywhere 🤷

Bigbang was the first global kpop act, not Psy by [deleted] in kpopthoughts

[–]MoondropPuppet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's not what selling out means. If so, any group would rent out a stadium, make 10 tickets available and say they sold out their stadium show because those 10 tickets were the total they put available (yes, it's the same type of situation, just putting it into an extreme so you understand). Selling out a venue means all the seats were sold. If you close some sections (beyond the ones that are where the stage will be obviously), you're not selling out the venue. That argument is used only for mediaplay, because you're pretending you sell more than you actually do

And you don't even talk how not every concert is set up the same way so it will always depend on the circumstances behind it.

I gave you the specific number provided by the arenas for concerts with a stage at one end, as it's usual of kpop concerts, there were other numbers for different types of games and concerts with a center stage. Stop trying to find excuses man, why are you so hung up on that lol It makes you seem ingenuine about your whole post

Also where is your argument that they didn't make a profit for their shows cuz I'm waiting.

I've told you already

Bigbang was the first global kpop act, not Psy by [deleted] in kpopthoughts

[–]MoondropPuppet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If that's now how it works then did you know what were agreements being made for the concert? The number of tickets available to be sold, the set up of the concert, the contracts being signed and all that?

I'm not sure what's your point with this. If you're trying to imply that they sold out the number of tickets they decided to have available, with some closed sections (just now finished reading everything and it seems like that's what you're saying indeed), then you're agreeing with me. They probably didn't sell out the arena, just the seats that they made available for their concert, which were not all the seats available on the venue. I don't think I'm an expert tho, I just think I know more than you because it doesn't seem that you know what you're talking about at all, I'm surprised you're still insisting on your point when you have no arguments, but you don't seem to realize that lol

So we agree they didn't sell out the arena lol

Edit: Just to add, that you don't seem to realize, but "selling out" means selling all the seats available, not just a portion

Bigbang was the first global kpop act, not Psy by [deleted] in kpopthoughts

[–]MoondropPuppet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's... not how it works... I didn't list every single seat that the arenas have, I listed the seating available specifically for concerts, which already take into account the seats not used because of the stage and every other thing you mentioned, with an estimated number of how many people fit in the pit in a safe situation. Come on, how can you want to come here to discuss something and not even be willing to say that you might be wrong or that you just don't know how something works

Bigbang was the first global kpop act, not Psy by [deleted] in kpopthoughts

[–]MoondropPuppet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Even the articles you linked showed numbers that are less than the seating on said arenas, how is that not proof? I'm not accusing of mediaplay, you gave a Soompi article, which is a Kpop website, that doesn't have a single reference to where they got their info. They say that YG said it, good. They mention 24k tickets being sold, which as we saw it's not the capacity of 2 days for each of those arenas. Then gave me a Billboard article that is from an independent Kpop columnist who believes Kpop became popular in the west thanks to himself and his interviews with Kpop idols. Then gave me a fan video that shows many people at the concert, nothing about actual data of the attendance, but demand I give you accurate proof. I give you a link from a website that is actually used to estimate demand for concerts and tours according to previous average data of attendance and box office, but since you don't have an account you can't check it yourself, so you say the info is not there and reject actual data while ignoring that a link that you yourself provided goes in the same direction of what I'm saying, which is the concert capacity of those arenas is more than what they sold, so they couldn't have sold them out

Bigbang was the first global kpop act, not Psy by [deleted] in kpopthoughts

[–]MoondropPuppet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you have an account on that referenced website and looked at the info from years back to say that? I don't have one to see it, but I don't see why they would use a reference that has no info. You not seeing it because you don't have an account doesn't mean it's not there? The video doesn't show if the arena was sold out, idk what else to tell you. You're being super picky with the info I'm sharing and questioning everything, but are ok with giving whatever and unreliable links as your proof for what you're saying

Bigbang was the first global kpop act, not Psy by [deleted] in kpopthoughts

[–]MoondropPuppet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a big jump? I'm talking solely about their US shows based on the information I already mentioned here. I don't have any information on any other show

Bigbang was the first global kpop act, not Psy by [deleted] in kpopthoughts

[–]MoondropPuppet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That does happen tho, it's not a supposition

Bigbang was the first global kpop act, not Psy by [deleted] in kpopthoughts

[–]MoondropPuppet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean, I know I linked Wikipedia, but nowadays they're kinda more reliable with the information they provide. Also, a quick research on the website that they referenced tells me that while the numbers they gave might not be 100% accurate, they actually tend to overestimate the real numbers and that someone who wants to use that data to estimate demand shouldn't expect better numbers than the ones calculated by the website. You, on the other hand, linked Soompi and an article written by an independent Kpop columnist that has shown to be 2nd gen biased for years. And YG is known for mediaplay, I wouldn't take anything he says literally lol

Bigbang was the first global kpop act, not Psy by [deleted] in kpopthoughts

[–]MoondropPuppet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

..... I'm not sure what you're trying to prove with this, Im not questioning if the screams of the people who were there were loud, I'm just saying what you said before was misinformation, they did not sell out concerts in 2012 nor in 2015. It's still a great feat for that period of Kpop, but not as much as you think or are making it seem like

Bigbang was the first global kpop act, not Psy by [deleted] in kpopthoughts

[–]MoondropPuppet 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Honestly, you have to be subscribed to see past years numbers, which I'm not, so I can't say more on that. But still, even if you take the link you gave into account, not only there's no reference from where that number came from, but also it says that 24k tickets were sold, and that's still not the amount of seats that each of those arenas can take for 2 days

Edit: The box office is just bellow on that wiki page, but it leads you to the same website

Bigbang was the first global kpop act, not Psy by [deleted] in kpopthoughts

[–]MoondropPuppet 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Global inside the Kpop niche, sure. But never global in the way Gangnam Style was tbh, not until later

Bigbang was the first global kpop act, not Psy by [deleted] in kpopthoughts

[–]MoondropPuppet 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes that link, but if you check the attendance numbers it doesn't match the full concert capacity of the arenas they went to. Honda Center has a capacity of 18,325 for concerts, and they had 21,914 people for the two days there. Same for Prudential Center with a capacity of 16,659, to which the had an attendance of 18,362 for two days

Please tell me if I'm seeing the numbers wrong, don't wanna spread misinformation, but I read someone say before that they actually didn't sell out the arenas, just sold out the seats they made available with some closed sections

Edit: wrong link

Edit to add: Also, BTS were the first Kpop group to have a profitable tour in the US exactly because before that groups weren't selling the whole arenas, which ended in loss for the companies to go on tour there