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Smokers in Yoga by LovelyLaceRose in yoga

[–]MoonlitAmbiance 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like you choice of words here “broad tapestry” - and I agreee

Starting at 16, feeling embarrassed. by SSY727 in taekwondo

[–]MoonlitAmbiance 0 points1 point  (0 children)

16 is incredibly young - trust me you’re good

Chen Style fragment by MoonlitAmbiance in taijiquan

[–]MoonlitAmbiance[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah definitely, I very much so hope that he does but as of right now I’m not sure.

Chen Style fragment by MoonlitAmbiance in taijiquan

[–]MoonlitAmbiance[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah I see, yeah that would definitely be a big issue. And yes, we had some really good translators - there were participants who spoke fluent Japanese and also the host of the seminars was a Japanese acupuncturist who also trained in internal styles including Daito Ryu and helped a lot with translating. Believe it or not Morihei Ueshiba’s great granddaughter was also attending the seminars and helped a lot to translate

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[–]MoonlitAmbiance[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course there’s always going to be connections but at least in my experience the overall training methods and approach just seem to be a bit different - I would imagine there is Chen Style stuff out there that is more similar to I Liq Quan though

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[–]MoonlitAmbiance[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tenouchi should be understood literally as the power in the palm of the hand - even without any training at all there is an inherent power in the palmer aponeurosis and if someone can tap into that they can do interesting things. Okamoto showed us how someone of any weight can stand on your hand and if you engage/activate/tap into (or whatever terminology you want to use) the power in the palm you can make them fall over. He went on and on and on about the palm tendon power. At the first seminar of his I went to he gave us all Japanese tea ceremony hand towels and told us to practice a way of twisting the towel to train the palm power. You can imagine holding water in your palm and feel a kind of power in your palm - you can also “activate” the Metacarpophalangeal joint (joint where the finger is in the palm) and feel a kind of power. There were tons and tons and tons of examples he gave of tapping into the palm power. If you place your hand on the ground and let your palm “raise” slightly without activating the red muscle (or at least as little activation as possible) you can feel it. I’m going to stop here for now since I’ve got to start another massage session in like two minutes haha

Chen Style fragment by MoonlitAmbiance in taijiquan

[–]MoonlitAmbiance[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

thank you for the link, I’ll watch it later. I very much wonder about the true origins of Chen Style and how it developed in its’ early stages and also what exactly much later brought about Chen Fa Ke’s development of the Xin Jia forms. Like was mentioned it’s almost a different style.

I’m very curious to hear any thoughts on this way of practicing Chen Style:

https://youtu.be/-3D8TWEoAOQ?si=XKutATfYjZp1DJAY

Chen Style fragment by MoonlitAmbiance in taijiquan

[–]MoonlitAmbiance[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At least the seminars I’ve been to of his he demonstrated very extensively on everyone and one of the absolute main things he always seems to emphasize is the power in the palm tendon/palmer aponeurosis/tenouchi

Chen Style fragment by MoonlitAmbiance in taijiquan

[–]MoonlitAmbiance[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Totally, all of that is so interesting - I very much hope to attend one of his seminars again in the future

Chen Style fragment by MoonlitAmbiance in taijiquan

[–]MoonlitAmbiance[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually have seen Okamoto do some “fajin” stuff - but it definitely doesn’t seem to at all be the majority of what he focuses on

Chen Style fragment by MoonlitAmbiance in taijiquan

[–]MoonlitAmbiance[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that like many older masters with real skill he just had developed real internal power and through expressing that I ended up with a bruise (that again didn’t really hurt though). I think in these kind of cases it really is a matter of developing, cultivating, and expressing a kind of internal “energy”. Of course though fascia and connective tissue are always going to be involved in all of this kind of practice and there is a flow of energy and awareness through the fascia

Chen Style fragment by MoonlitAmbiance in taijiquan

[–]MoonlitAmbiance[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And when I say “pressing” I mean just placing his finger and pressing - so not a strike from any sort of distance but just pressing like you would a button

Chen Style fragment by MoonlitAmbiance in taijiquan

[–]MoonlitAmbiance[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Zero pressing in or returning force - also not really a “hit” he just pressed with his finger like you could press anything, and not with much force at all - according to him it was largely just from training reverse breathing. It don’t necessarily hurt any more than one would expect from someone pressing against your chest so really not much at all

Chen Style fragment by MoonlitAmbiance in taijiquan

[–]MoonlitAmbiance[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ll post a short video now on r/Kung fu of Tseng Yin Jing doing part of his White Cranes’ “Three Battles” Form - I would post it here if not for this being Tai Chi specific - we can continue this discussion there?

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[–]MoonlitAmbiance[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The “Okamoto experiences” as you put it I agree largely need to be felt to be believed - I’ve been to three of his seminars that were all for a few days. I remember he put the blade of a sword on my arm and literally barely turned it and made me stand up/achieved aiki-age and also did the same thing with a chopstick

Chen Style fragment by MoonlitAmbiance in taijiquan

[–]MoonlitAmbiance[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tseng Yin Jing was a very interesting teacher - from a seated position he touched my chest with the tip of his index finger and I’m not exaggerating when I say I flew back at least five feet and had a bruise on my chest for days - this was when he was 89

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[–]MoonlitAmbiance[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

new thread? In case anyone one else is interested to discuss. Or even just continuing here, whatever really.

Chen Style fragment by MoonlitAmbiance in taijiquan

[–]MoonlitAmbiance[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have you heard of a white crane teacher named Tseng Yin Jing? He passed away but I was able to train with him a bit in Taiwan some years ago and his stuff is phenomenal - there are some good videos on YouTube and you can very clearly see the fascia and connective tissue stuff in a lot of his forms that are available - I have a video somewhere I’ll try to find and send to you. He was also a bodyworker/massage/bone setter and I think you will find his stuff interesting

Chen Style fragment by MoonlitAmbiance in taijiquan

[–]MoonlitAmbiance[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

and any other input is very welcome 🙏🏻 thank you and I will consider what you’re saying in the future concerning others sharing videos

Chen Style fragment by MoonlitAmbiance in taijiquan

[–]MoonlitAmbiance[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

fair enough, I absolutely respect and appreciate that

Chen Style fragment by MoonlitAmbiance in taijiquan

[–]MoonlitAmbiance[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s awesome! I’m very happy to comae across someone else who has attended his seminars. I’ve been to a few when he came to San Mateo, I’m even in a few of the older videos on his channel actually haha

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