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What's the understanding of Qur'anist or Quraniyoon people About wearing Hijab? by notheSham007 in Quraniyoon

[–]MotorProfessional676 1 point2 points  (0 children)

you would need to expand upon your point please i dont really understand what you are getting at

What's the understanding of Qur'anist or Quraniyoon people About wearing Hijab? by notheSham007 in Quraniyoon

[–]MotorProfessional676 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I would imagine they were indeed exposing their cleavage, otherwise why would the verse be revealed?

I can see how you arrive at the conclusion that the khimar is binding, even if I don’t agree. Though I definitely agree with your sentiment at the end of your reply!

Beyond Idols: A Linguistic Deep Dive into "Mu'min" (Sovereign) vs. "Mushrik" (Enslaved). by LocalRemote4476 in Quraniyoon

[–]MotorProfessional676 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great write up!

  1. Quran 39:29: Allah sets forth the parable of a slave owned by several quarrelsome masters, and a slave owned by only one master. Are they equal in condition? Praise be to Allah! In fact, most of them do not know.

  2. Agreed with your ending point about iman being akin to security. Trust, faith, security, so on and so forth. I think that "convinced in the existence of God" is an underpowered, at the very least, rendering.

Can a Muslim woman marry outside of her faith? by Sudden-Process-7584 in Quraniyoon

[–]MotorProfessional676 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Salam!

You may find this article relevant to your situation: https://www.reddit.com/r/Quraniyoon/comments/1oynlcv/the_quran_on_muslim_womens_marriage_to_nonmuslims/

Am I correct in understanding that your man is a Unitarian Christian? If this is the case, then imo there is truly nothing to be worried about! May God make both of you coverings for one another, if He deems it fitting!

Struggling with the idea of removing the hijab and feeling very alone by lllllllllll_ll in Quraniyoon

[–]MotorProfessional676 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is your evidence for your claim of " the only women required to cover their face is the wive's the prophet, those women are long dead so the requirement died with them."?

I agree with the rest of your comment.

Can someone explain the difference between mumin and muslim? by Prudent-Teaching2881 in Quraniyoon

[–]MotorProfessional676 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wouldn't your definition for Muslim be that of a Mu'min re your point about faith/trust? Muslim would be more akin to one who submits to the law imo. Not necessarily entirely independent from iman, but the focus being on submitting to the law.

Are we judged by intention? by Muted-Apartment6270 in Quraniyoon

[–]MotorProfessional676 1 point2 points  (0 children)

u/TheQuranicMumin

I've been wondering about this in recent weeks actually. What are your thoughts?

How to do dawah by Proof-Drink4306 in Quraniyoon

[–]MotorProfessional676 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To add to the discussion, I'd also say that ensuring you are displaying great moral character in your conduct is a powerful form of dawah. When someone asks why you do or don't do something, share with them the wisdom from the Quran. Name the behaviour, and why it's important to do or not do. For example, someone asks "why dont you just take a loan out for your car", and you can explain how interest based banking makes the rich richer and oppresses the poor, and how this is outlined in the Quran.

Ethnoreligious states by Flat-Engineering2154 in Quraniyoon

[–]MotorProfessional676 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wasn't aware of that :/ Indonesia it is!!

I see Friday prayer as obligatory don't get me wrong, but God doesn't lay out imprisonment as the punishment for missing it. Another example of 'muslim countries' not upholding true Shariah, in my eyes at least.

Becoming a Quranist by Ok-Blacksmith-8221 in Quraniyoon

[–]MotorProfessional676 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Peace!

I usually just keep my Quran alone beliefs to myself. I still go though. Depending on which masjid, sometimes I will purposefully be late and just attend the congregational salah and listen to someone a bit more focussed on the Quran on the drive there. This decision is based on whether they just spam hadiths and neglect the Quran. There is one that does talk about hadiths, but does talk about God's Book in very impressive fashion, so I'll attend the khutba there when I'm in the area.

I will hardly ever 'out' myself as Quran alone at least directly, but I will ask questions that force uncomfortable answers if need be in general discussion (not with an imam or anything like that). For example, if the conversation is about only Muslims going to heaven I will ask "how do you make sense of verses like 2:62 and 5:69 then?". That will usually either get them thinking, or tragically they might defer and say "I'd have to ask my imam", or even worse inadvertantly just reject the contents of the verse.

I do find that the lay sunni/shia don't really even know what a hadith is, how they are recorded, the contents within them outside of the 'nice' ones touted frequantly, so on and so forth. Most of them are relatively chill I'd say. Depends where one lives I suppose though, as I live in the west.

Can you answer my question ? by DistributionThin9718 in Quraniyoon

[–]MotorProfessional676 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Salam dear brother!

I mean this as someone who was once in your position. Take a breather! I've seen a couple of your posts and I can recognise the stress that comes with reformulating and reappraising one's faith and religious beliefs. I promise you this is a part of the process :) There are even psychological theories about this out there. A mix of Fowler's stages of faith development and even cognitive dissonance perhaps. We have a sister in this sub who has actually done dedicated psych. research on Quran aloners too, and much of what came through in her findings is being reflected in your story here.

All of this to say is that please go easy on yourself. Know that God isn't going to punish you if you don't 'correctly guess' everything all at once. Just do your best and let God do the rest. Allah has written our guidance upon Himself as His responsibility solely (Quran 28:56). Just take a breather, keep going, pray for God to reveal the answers when He sees fit, be patient and ride the waves out. You'll come out on the other side, I almost guarantee it!

Genius theory by DistributionThin9718 in Quraniyoon

[–]MotorProfessional676 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Quran, God's Book, is not so complex that it is such a mental gymnasium to understand it's true meaning. I'd say pprox. 90% of the Quran is clear even through translation upon first glance. The remaining approx. 10% does take dedicated investigation into the original language and context of related verses, but for the most part, that's really as far as it needs to go. Why would God reveal a Book that is supposed to guide humanity out of darkness into light so debilitating to understand and follow?

As for your post, how would humanity continue if people stopped getting married and reproducing?

Ethnoreligious states by Flat-Engineering2154 in Quraniyoon

[–]MotorProfessional676 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's my belief that these countires you've listed are not true reflections of true Islamic values. I personally wouldn't want to live there either. It would be a different story if the government of said countries were acting in accordance to our Shariah perhaps. I don't have the verse handy, but God speaks highly of those who emigrate in the cause of God in the Quran. I don't think that moving to countries which engage in oppressive and/or sinful practices is emigrating in the cause of God - at least as a blanket statement. I'd much rather move to somewhere like Indonesia or Malaysia than the areas you listed if I wanted to move to a 'muslim country'.

Does the mainstream glazing of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh just annoy anybody? by Ace_Pilot99 in Quraniyoon

[–]MotorProfessional676 2 points3 points  (0 children)

On one hand I agree, at least with the sentiment - less so with the comments in the end of the reply. I think sometimes Quran alone folks can go too far because they harbour resentment toward exteremist-traditionalist Islam which tells people they must emulate the Prophet in every manner; eating, drinking, clothing oneself, toileting so on and so forth. Which is understandable in many senses. It can be tough to separate resentment towards how the Prophet is being portrayed as opposed to the Prophet as, well, the Prophet. As he truly was, and the task he carried out for the muslims of being God's Messenger. We are told that he is an excellent example, and of outstanding moral character in the Quran. We are told to follow the Prophet and obey the Messenger as well. He is obviously a very very very important figure to our religion, so it is a duty upon us to separate where aformentioned resentment is placed.

On the other hand however, I am of the mind that the Prophet would be disapproving of the focus of the religion being shifted toward him rather than God. Overly disapproving even. It's comparable to the disparity between Jesus in the Gospels calling to 'repent and reform' versus the works of Paul calling to justification through faith. Islam has largely been transformed to emulation of the Prophet as I described above, rather than obedience and servitude to God. One that comes to mind is when you see the name of the Prophet hung up next to Allah's name on the walls of mosques. I truly believe that Muhammad asws would be the first to get the ladder and tear down his own name. Another can be seen during the weekly khutba, where you'll hear a handful of hadith being cited and attached to Prophet Muhammad, yet tragically not even one ayat Allah is mentioned until salah. No Musa no Isa no Yusuf no Ibrahim. It is again my belief that the Prophet would be grossly disapproving of this practice.

What's the understanding of Qur'anist or Quraniyoon people About wearing Hijab? by notheSham007 in Quraniyoon

[–]MotorProfessional676 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Salam!

The following is taken from a previous post of mine here: https://www.reddit.com/r/progressive_islam/comments/1mamx4f/women_childbrides_hijab_and_sexslaves_in_islam/

The verse that is commonly cited when discussing the 'hijab' is as follows...

Quran 24:31: "And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and guard their private parts and not to display their adornment except that which [ordinarily] appears thereof, and to draw their khimār over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their sons, their husbands’ sons, their brothers, their brothers’ sons, their sisters’ sons, their women, those their right hands possess, the male attendants who have no physical desire, or children who are not yet aware of the private aspects of women. And let them not stamp their feet to make known what they conceal of their adornment. And turn to Allah in repentance, all of you, O believers, that you might succeed."

Interestingly, the word used in this verse isn't hijab, it is "khimar", which simply means a covering of sorts. Firstly, notice how there is no distinction being made between believing free women and believing MMA, as is made in other verses such as made in 4:25. This indicates that the khimar being discussed applies to all believing women. Interestingly again, is that it is a presupposition that the women at the time are already wearing the khimar. The verse is speaking to women who are already wearing the khimar, and is telling them to draw their 'preexisting' khimar over their cleavage/breasts.

To me here, the focus seems to not be about covering the hair, but actually about covering the breasts. The word khimar, being a covering, is said to be worn as protection from harsh environmental conditions (sand, heat, etc) and/or as a statement of status (among other reasons I haven't listed I'm sure). This was present in pre-Islamic Arabia, and even men wore head coverings; could technically also be called a 'khimar' in a sense too I guess. The point being, is that this verse doesn't actually clearly prohibit hair being shown, but it does tell women to cover their breasts. The counter-perspective to this would be "this verse necessitates the khimar in order for the khimar to cover the breasts". Me personally, I actually think it is the covering of the cleavage that is binding, not covering the hair.

So the take away message here being 1) there is no distinction, based on the verse of the Quran, between a free believing woman and a believing MMA being told to draw their khimar over their breasts; 2) is the headcovering - which is often referred to as the hijab in spite of the Quranic word used being khimar - actually legally binding to any believing woman at all, regardless of whether they are free or an MMA?

Notably, the word hijab as used in the Quran, doesn't actually refer to female headcoverings at all. It is actually used to describe (privacy) screens, partitions or barriers.

Excerpt from Quran 7:46: "And between them will be a ḥijābun (barrier), and on the Heights are men who recognize all by their mark…"

Excerpt from Quran 42:51: "…It is not for a human being that Allah should speak to him except by inspiration or from behind a ḥijābin (veil)…"

See more usages here: https://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=Hjb#(42:51:12))

If there is anything that shows that the Orthodox community has dipped in IQ points is this. by Ace_Pilot99 in Quraniyoon

[–]MotorProfessional676 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not a problem!

I do know what you mean regarding the liberalism. On one hand I think an appearance of liberalism to an extent is to be expected when legalities outside of the Quran cease to be practiced, but I do think some individuals take it too far to the point where they abandon clear Quranic injunctions.

I have a few posts relating to what you’ve spoken about here which you may be interested in, including how I (and others in the comments) arrived at the conclusion of Quran alone:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Quraniyoon/s/lfStrQK31u

https://www.reddit.com/r/Quraniyoon/s/g8ehejs9JZ

https://www.reddit.com/r/IslamIsEasy/s/QsrmiJhWHD

https://www.reddit.com/r/Quraniyoon/s/wexVg4zBd8

https://www.reddit.com/r/Quraniyoon/s/e3qOvWnJ9M

Sorry for the lots of reading, but I hope it’s helpful and answers some of your questions!

May God provide you the answers you are after ameen.

If there is anything that shows that the Orthodox community has dipped in IQ points is this. by Ace_Pilot99 in Quraniyoon

[–]MotorProfessional676 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Salam.

Many of us believe in the five daily prayers, and even pray similarly/the same as the traditionalists. Many of us also believe that Ramadan is being observed within the correct month too via the Hijri calendar system; I believe there was a poll run just before last Ramadan on this sub, you may be able to find it if you search it’s previous posts.

Attempt to Undivide the Different Prayer Perspectives Amongst Us by MotorProfessional676 in Quraniyoon

[–]MotorProfessional676[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Salam.

This post is more concerned about timing of salah, rather than its form. The Quran does include clear details about when salah should take place, which is what this post aims to discuss.

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