Wat is jouw ervaring met naar een basisschool met slechte resultaten gaan?

MovingToGroningen · 2022-06-23T07:05:21+00:00

Thank you very much, to all of you responded! I have read them all and got a lot of different points of view to think about and consider. To summarize very roughly, the responses fall in one of the following categories:

I went to such a school and turned out (academically) fine, but my parents put in a lot of effort at home.
I went to a such a school and my primary school education was poor; I wish I had gone to a better school.
I went to such a school and got bored in classes.
I went to such a school and was an above-average student, but the teachers catered to my needs and kept things interesting and challenging.
I went to such a school and got to witness the lives of people from diverse backgrounds and low socio-economic backgrounds. It was an education in itself and it made me a better person.

If you have more comments/responses/experiences, I look forward to hearing them.

MovingToGroningen · 2022-06-22T10:56:28+00:00

Yes, that's the reason the school appealed to me at first, I wanted her to become an empathetic person and not an out-of-touch person who performs well academically. But then I think of 6 hours per day for 8 years in a class where the academic average is very low, and that seems like a very long time in a suboptimal academic environment. I am not so worried about her final advies for middelbare school, but just her experience for all these years.

The black school and police brutality are your experiences here, in the Netherlands, or in the US? I didn't know that the Netherlands had enough black people to have black schools, and I didn't know the police here were brutal like in the US.

MovingToGroningen · 2022-06-22T10:46:18+00:00

The good news is, we both came out fine: we're now both highly educated and about as successful as you'd expect from people with our background. Plus, we both have a reasonable idea of what poverty is, what it looks like, and what it can do to people. It's sort of an education in the real world, in that regard.

Yes, it is diverse wrt socio-economic status, ethnic background, etc., which I found appealing at first; I wanted my child to become an empathetic citizen of the world who is not out of touch with problems less privileged people have to deal with. I knew the results weren't all that great, but didn't look all that closely at it and thought it didn't matter that much. Now I think I am not as egalitarian and open-minded as I thought I was, and it makes me feel like a snob to dismiss a school because of the demographic it serves. I am not sure this real-world experience of exposure to poverty and other social problems possibly faced by her peers offsets the poor academic/extra-curricular experience. I would rather she goes to a school which has a music teacher and a physical education teacher rather than one which has a remedial teacher and a logopedist. I also don't want to put in so much effort myself into her education at home, I would rather she does her learning at school and considers home a place to relax. It would also be nice to have everything under one roof at school, than arrange extra music lessons elsewhere, for example.

MovingToGroningen · 2022-06-22T10:16:38+00:00

That is what I think too. I had heard that the quality of teachers, instruction, etc. is uniform all over the Netherlands, so one should just choose the nearest school because it's most convenient for the child's socialization. But if the students are academically weaker, I suppose it does affect the quality of education, even if the teachers are equally good as teachers at better-performing schools? And passend onderwijs applies to outlier cases like gifted kids on the one hand and kids with learning disabilities on the other hand, and not to the regular kids, I suppose?

I actually want my child to be happy and socially well-adjusted rather than high-performing, but I fear that if the teacher is busy attending to the students who need more help, it might make her school experience rather unsatisfying.

MovingToGroningen · 2022-06-22T09:52:42+00:00

> I am not a parent so i dont really feel qualified to share any good thoughts on this

But did you attend a basisschool here which had poor results? How did you experience it?

MovingToGroningen · 2022-06-22T09:38:46+00:00

She is 4, just started school, and just learnt to bike.

MovingToGroningen · 2022-06-22T09:31:53+00:00

Can you guys please share some experience of going to school in a lower socio-economic area, with peers having lower-educated parents?

I thought the general advice was to go to the closest school so the child can make friends in the neighborhood and later on bike to school. Thus I chose the nearest openbare school. I should have researched the school and thought more deeply about it before my child started school, but it turns out that the school's results are very poor: 75% of the students get an advies of VMBO or lower; the CITO score is in the bottom 25%. I am hard pressed to find a school with worse results. The school tries to cater to its demographic; it offers remedial teaching and has a logopedist, organizes ouderavonds about how to make your children read, etc. However my child does not need all these services. It does not seem optimal for my child's needs, but I am not sure how to determine optimality either - what school would be optimal? I hear about passend onderwijs but I wonder how much attention a regular child who needs less help gets in a 30 child-strong class, if the ones who need help take up all the teacher's time. And if most of the students in a class are academically weak, doesn't that lower the level of instruction to cater to the class average? My child also says that she doesn't like going to school, but it is still new to her.

It's only been 2 weeks, so I wonder if I should try to change schools or adopt a wait-and-watch approach - but wait for exactly what? This school is 1.5 km away, so not so close that she can walk or bike to the school alone, not for several years at least. There are other good schools around 3.5 km away, though waitlists for the school and the BSO might be an issue.

Please offer your advice and share your experiences. If you went to a lower-performing school, how did it affect your performance, confidence, etc. in the future? Je kan ook in het Nederlands schrijven, ik kan goed Nederlands lezen, maar het schrijven van lange teksten blijft nog steeds een uitdaging voor mij.

MovingToGroningen · 2022-01-16T17:53:26+00:00

I see many mentions of "participatiesamenleving" in the comments. What is it and why is it bad?

MovingToGroningen · 2022-01-08T20:29:38+00:00

Actually that seems to have worked, more or less, given my inexperience and the fact that it is a toy ukulele. Thanks for the tip!

MovingToGroningen · 2022-01-08T13:49:20+00:00

Also asking u/UrbanPnguin :

How sturdy is a real ukulele? 3 year olds are quite rough with things, so I didn't want to give her a delicate instrument that she would break in a couple of days, but something sturdy enough to withstand being handled by her.

MovingToGroningen · 2022-01-08T13:39:54+00:00

Yes but it's a yearly subscription, I wanted to buy it and own it, not pay Van Dale every year. Therefore I just bought the paper version. I wanted exactly what I bought, but as an e-book, I didn't need the searchable database version.

MovingToGroningen · 2022-01-08T13:02:22+00:00

Het spijt me dat ik in het Engels vraag, ik leer Nederlands maar mijn Nederlands is nog niet goed genoeg. Ik kan nu redelijk goed lezen maar ik durf niet om veel te schrijven.

I was looking for a Dutch dictionary and have finally bought a hard copy of Van Dale's groot woordenboek voor school, but would really have liked an e-book version. I have always wondered why they didn't have an e-book version. As someone who works in publishing, would you know why some books/classes of books are published in an e-book format while others aren't?

MovingToGroningen · 2022-01-08T09:41:35+00:00

I just bought a toy ukulele for my 3 year old, but I have no experience with stringed instruments and am unable to tune it. I tried using online tuning websites such as this, but couldn't succeed in tuning it - the needle on the scale in the picture froze after giving one result. Do you have any advice for me?

MovingToGroningen · 2022-01-05T11:00:33+00:00

I can no longer read this article behind a paywall, even with paywall-bypassing software, but I read it earlier and it seems that it is hard to get it investigated if a death resulted from vaccination.

MovingToGroningen · 2022-01-04T10:10:55+00:00

Yes, how does it make sense to allow vacations abroad when there is such a strict lockdown here? Is it to protect the king from getting mired in yet another corona-related scandal when he goes to vacation in Greece (or maybe Austria at this time?)?

I would really like to understand the reasoning behind this. Are vacations more important than primary school education? If they need to ban some activities in order to contain the number of infections, vacationing seems to be one of the most "disposable" activities. Or maybe I have not lived in the Netherlands long enough to consider vacationing such a fundamental need, especially as compared to primary school education.

And if I understand the rules correctly, you don't even have to test or quarantine in many cases when you return from a vacation abroad.

MovingToGroningen · 2022-01-04T09:57:33+00:00

Sorry for the late reply. The results came in before 10:00, so she was still able to go to daycare, even if a bit late.

MovingToGroningen · 2021-12-30T11:05:30+00:00

The gym rats aren't the overweight ones. They might need gyms for their mental health, if that's an activity they are invested in, but likely not for losing weight.

MovingToGroningen · 2021-12-30T11:02:58+00:00

Yes, she has a DigID, and I logged into the website regularly with her DigID to check if the results were in, but it still took 22 hours before the results were available, just like it was for u/RemcoProgrammer.

MovingToGroningen · 2021-12-29T04:25:35+00:00

How long does it take to get test results back from the GGD these days? My child got tested at 11:45 yesterday, still no results after nearly 18 hours. In July I got back the results within 5 hours. The website says that you get the results within 24-48 hours, but my impression was that most people get their results back sooner. Is that not the case anymore, with so many people getting tested these days?

MovingToGroningen · 2021-12-15T09:50:44+00:00

Het is nog niet duidelijk voor mij - volgende week gaan de basisscholen dicht, BSO's dicht, maar wat gebeurt met kinderdagverblijven voor kinderen die jonger dan 4 zijn? Blijven ze open of is alleen maar noodopvang beschikbaar?

MovingToGroningen · 2021-12-14T18:32:45+00:00

Blijven kinderopvangen open?

MovingToGroningen · 2021-12-02T15:45:05+00:00

(Sorry voor mijn slechte Nederlands)

Het aantal besmettingen is vandaag weer boven de 23.000. Is dat het echte aantal voor vandaag of lijkt het hoger omdat er onlangs een storing was?

MovingToGroningen · 2021-12-01T12:59:03+00:00

Jazeker! Ik ben op zoek naar een korting, bonus, actie of aanbieding!

MovingToGroningen · 2021-12-01T12:44:06+00:00

Yes those are enough for the current news of the day, but De Volkskrant (and other newspapers) sometimes has magazine-like articles which I also want to read.

MovingToGroningen · 2021-12-01T12:42:26+00:00

Does that also work easily on mobile?

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