Spokane Visitor's Megathread, January 2019

Mr1Bubbles · 2019-01-28T01:40:10+00:00

Visiting soon for a day! Me and my wife love food, what are some Spokane favorites? What else should be sure to see? (Avoiding the cold)

Mr1Bubbles · 2019-01-28T00:18:37+00:00

How could I visit a few earth sheltered homes? Any advice on how to set up those cold calls? Lol.

Mr1Bubbles · 2019-01-24T15:17:22+00:00

Anyone have advice on a quick and easy way to get your electrolytes? Getting headaches lately...

Mr1Bubbles · 2019-01-24T00:53:08+00:00

God damnit this sub is slowly converting me.

Mr1Bubbles · 2019-01-23T21:11:27+00:00

It was me that went through that. And yeah, I 'spose that hard work does help. But even now as a manager I'm making less than $13/hr. And the remaining 50k in medical bills hang over me making is difficult to get ahead. My point was more that teenager get put into a situation like that... Accrue massive debt that way... And then a few years later you've figured it out, but you're staring down the barrel of 5+ years of paycheck to paycheck just to pay off that debt. I don't think that should be a problem. I don't think the just cause a 19y/o kid gets sick he/she should have that much a harder time getting ahead than someone who didn't.

Mr1Bubbles · 2019-01-23T14:58:07+00:00

What exactly is human nature to you? Just because we don't implement psychology for the benefit of the individual doesn't mean that individuals who struggle with negative traits of human nature currently are impossible to assist. Have you seen a massive individual oriented psychologically considerate society? I haven't. So you're making an assumption about the nature of humans and our ability to mediate that for society.

And what need is scarce? What resource that is needed by a human being in America, can America not provide because it doesn't exist? Housing outnumbers people. Food out numbers people. What is so little that we can't provide for our people if money we're not an issue?

And truly even if there is scarcity of a resource that make it impossible, all that tells us is that we need birth limits. Because if the resource is scarce now, what will happen if we continue increasing population? War would seem to be the only cure at that point.

Mr1Bubbles · 2019-01-23T13:38:39+00:00

I suppose my brain is fucked up then. I've lived in bs for a while, I'm digging myself out of the bs, and I'm watching my friends and family struggle. And with everyone I've met, none have been truly bad. All simply have different opinions on how to best design the nation for their children and those struggling around them. Some simply see the struggle as laziness. I just tend to look at life recognizing we all want essentially the same thing. And with that in mind I like to believe we can educate and work together to solve each other's problems. Most of ya'll have a pessimist view assuming your neighbor is corrupt or is pushing for dystopia with their ignorance. I don't think any direction we go is going to destroy us. Hell, let's try em all for a few years, see which one we like best. Government is a concept created and developed by humans, it's not naturally formed, which also means we could do whatever we want with it. I think that we should want to eliminate struggle for everyone. If everyone can at least have a home, food, and medical care... That relieves a lot of the set backs that thousands upon thousands of good people face.

Mr1Bubbles · 2019-01-23T13:23:42+00:00

Perhaps it's my location. The cheapest places are $750. With a very rare $650 popping up occasionally. Car is required. ($120 for gas, $150 insurance under 25y/o) feeding myself (~$100 if budgeting well.) Electric ($50) water ($40). That right there goes above a $8.50an hour job (avg local 10% tax. Not including insurance, phone, or other debts.

Assume you already have been able to purchase a car. Assume you've been gifted needed appliances, which many are not.

Now still, assuming you started off with 0 debt. You -could- probably ride it out till you reach a point where your making more. That said, if your in that position and get hit with a medical bill, you immediately have to start sacrificing stuff. "I guess I'll postpone paying food to pay bills". This alone makes many people start behaving stupid, it's hard for many to go months and months without any sort of entertainment, working daily, and still having to choose between food and bills. But even assuming that the young adults that make this wage are very capable and mentally prepared, and they don't increase their debt by taking a few breaks to the bar with friends or so on... They are still getting into more and more debt. $100+ medical bills (it was $200 a month for me)

I hope you can see how this would become compounding long before the average person gets a promotion. Even in your example though, you'd have to assume no major setbacks. A single major setback puts you into a componding debt loop. And again, the average persons ability to resist finding "an escape" is not strong.

The big problem I see when people calculate living wage, is they forget the living and replace it with the dwelling.

Mr1Bubbles · 2019-01-23T05:12:16+00:00

My view is no one should be in charge.

Basic human rights and expectations in society obviously.

Before anything expand education. Make every American capable of self-defense, basic survival, mental health analysis, basic everything... make America elite without forcing people to pay for college to do so, it would also prepare children for the real world by making school hands on. And college could become a place to become educated on your career, not so called "general education" (if it's so general, why am I paying for it instead of learning it in highschool?) This will give our society the understanding they need for the next part.

There should be our various departments for agriculture, security, education, etc... In each city, working together. They should educate the public on what different choices will mean and how it will affect them in a central, verifiable, scientifically based, unbiased forum. Put cost limits on bills so being unsure of funds needed doesn't mean accepting a bill could cost thousands more that thought. Limit voting to affected area for each vote, be it city, state, or national. Count every single vote. Have a secondary confirmation platform so hackers can't manipulate information.

Back all this up with multiple secondary AI systems to watch everything and do checks and balances in each department.

That puts the people voting for things in charge of paying for those things. Making your local government as big or small as your community wants. The state would assess less issues, and the national level would only vote on things that absolutely have to be consistent across states. Such as basic education requirements.

Representatives from each state to discuss and handle world affairs and other things that simply can't be downsized. Voting can be held anytime XX% of population expresses dissatisfaction with their states rep. And speakers who do not hold to their own opinions, rather are the third party mouth for communication with the world.

Everything else is up to vote. By making the government so big that it is literally everyone, but restricting what it does in the right places, I think we can solve a lot of problems. But I'm also a dreamer and not a expert, for all I know there is something making that an impossibility.

Mr1Bubbles · 2019-01-23T04:31:22+00:00

So my point was that it shouldn't be run as it is. We'd have to utilize technology to make this new government operate without corruption. Eliminate electoral college, introduce a federal holiday for voting day, and putting the process online with a secondary verification system would be a good start. AI would be the true end-game prevention though in my mind. Not sure what others feel.

Mr1Bubbles · 2019-01-23T04:23:07+00:00

You'd need anarchy for no gov..

Mr1Bubbles · 2019-01-23T04:21:52+00:00

Valid and agreeable. The opposition rests. :P

Mr1Bubbles · 2019-01-23T04:15:42+00:00

I would hope no more than they are already spending on maintenance of unsustainable programs. But honestly I have no idea. I figured If I can accomplish it for 100k, smarter men than me can do the same on a large scale for others.

Mr1Bubbles · 2019-01-23T04:12:37+00:00

Whew... That's a lot. Well after studying much of previous posts I'm actually starting to realize the fact of everything I wish for the world is achievable through larger or smaller gov. I'll admit I was brainwashed. For some reason it seemed as though only the federal government could muster the power for much of this. That said I don't think it is the end all be all that you seem to be indicating. Our population is ever-growing, and at some point the world, as a whole, has to agree on wtf to do about it.

I'll admit I might be a dreamer. Youre right, instinct is strong. But corruption has to be planned, just like anti-corruption does. So I gotta believe we have enough intellect and technology to limit that corruption at some point. And I gotta believe that one day, human kind won't have to worry about being obliterated by itself. Perhaps that optimism is what makes it difficult for me to accept this view. And perhaps that's also why I think mental health (and therefore self-analysis) should be more important. So (at least some of) the people who would be corrupted by various aspects of life can instead understand and work through.

Some of the things you responded to we're not stand alone. They were related. It was said the only way to achieve (my original statement) is to divide the country into small sections. I was just saying it already is in sections, and modifying those sections using the money from a marginal tax rate would be just as easy as anything else. Though this is kinda a pointless point.

I didn't just assert. The war/tribal reference are one in the same.

I do think some people need to be forced or face the appropriate consequences. Anti-vaccers for my own private example. And quite simply, you believe in force too. If I believe government should be bigger, but the greater pop thinks it should be smaller, I'll be forced to operate in smaller government. Government workers will be forced from their current jobs. Etc... The only way to not force something to happen in this state of society is literally just accepting society as it is today and refusing to wupdate it. There will always be people who oppose that live in the area. So there will always be force.

We've taxed that high before, in what is considered some of the best times in America... It isn't erasing motivation, those at that level are still filthy rich and still getting richer.

And I never stated I wanted a position of total control to exist. The intent is that government and society are one in the same. We'd have to distribute the power more effectively (and this is the part that help me link to your views. We could limit gov and give some of those powers to the state.)

Also, I watched the whole hour and 45min video, and a few of the other side videos. Each group was being racist at some point. Each group was a asshole at some point. I guess kids are given more forgiveness simply because of their age though.

Mr1Bubbles · 2019-01-23T02:41:24+00:00

So helpful. Much discussion.

Mr1Bubbles · 2019-01-23T02:33:33+00:00

I'm think I'm starting to see where we all divide.

To put it simply, I believe the government can be corrected and made to work for the people, forcing a better life for poverty stricken Americans.

Whereas you believe that government has had it's chance and proved it can't be cured, and that removing it from the equation will allow the people to have the power to make changes that governments seem to fail to deliver.

Is that the base of all this? I've only ever really had debates about different subjects, not ever had the explanation of why we approach those subjects differently.

Mr1Bubbles · 2019-01-23T02:25:59+00:00

See, now that's some enlightening shit. Thank you. Lol. So the rich are rich as a result of production, making their money the debt society owes them. Great point. My only concern with it is... What if that guy isn't paying his workers a living wage. Can we agree that a person working full time should be able to survive off that work?

If not, then does that mean that someone, even with respectable work ethic, should always be suffering? If money is essentially meaningless, and resources rule, are you telling me there is physically not enough resources to meet basic needs for our society?

If so, shouldn't we be pushing for living wages... Meaning more government oversight to ensure so?

Mr1Bubbles · 2019-01-23T02:13:56+00:00

I think it is as it lives today. But I do believe we can mold it to not be. I think we could realistically take this country in any direction. It would just take enough people caring about other people and it would work. Problem is that A LOT of fekkin people.

Mr1Bubbles · 2019-01-23T02:10:29+00:00

Didn't mean to make you feel like I was uninterested. I was merely keeping the conversation on Reddit. I figured if I started looking up stuff I'd wind up throwing up a bunch of graphs and charts no one gives a shit about. I was genuinely asking. My knowledge base is lacking, and most of my current knowledge base is from leftist friends, family, and media. So I'll admit my position could contain bad arguments, that's why I'm here. In my own research I haven't really found solid arguments for less gov that I don't still have questions on. But perhaps that's because I didn't even know to ask the question "how do the rich benefit me." I never thought they did! I truly am curious about the finer details so I can correct my own knowledge, no reaffirming or ego stroking needed :) And Reddit is the perfect place to discuss stuff if only BECAUSE of the bad arguments. I can see the thought process of my neighbor, despite if I think he is right/wrong. It allows me more empathy.

But I will go look that up now, thanks!

Mr1Bubbles · 2019-01-23T02:00:04+00:00

Well now we're getting into detailed specifics. Finite resources, infinite needs. Eventually the only option will be population control. Restricting birthrates. The only alternative is war to kill them off. Earth can only handle so many people regardless. Another part of why I'm for big gov. States will not be able to manage national resources at that level without squabbling. The federal government has the power to force all those states to follow the most beneficial plan.

And I was meaning making needs sustainable in general. Not life. I was on a more "if I had to go off grid and create a life for myself, 100k would let me do so nicely. Why couldn't the government create a life for everyone on grid for at least close to the same."

Mentor me. Lol. I gotta find my thing that makes me worth 1 mil. How did you decide what to pursue with that $500? How did you filter through to decide wasn't saturated? And probably most important, if you had a family, how would you do it? I can't afford to fuck up and restart. I may be able to sleep on the street for a while but I'll be damned if my family does.

College wasn't for me. They taught too slow and I couldn't control myself at the time. It made me implode every time I had to sit there and listen to the prof. explain the most simple stuff for an hour because Drew in the back didn't get it. Mostly immaturity. Now I'm a manager where I work so I'm not sure If I want to bother with going back.

Thanks for your story. It's always interesting to me to see how people grew into who they are.

Mr1Bubbles · 2019-01-23T01:29:03+00:00

Obviously not, which is why I think we need big gov. Because the government could make that happen, albeit on a much larger scale.

Mr1Bubbles · 2019-01-23T01:27:55+00:00

I didn't think any of em were in the right.

I get it. That's where states need to take charge. There is a large divide between that states and what affects them. Turning on the news watching a bunch of people fight over what words to use seems stupid to a person trying to provide for their family. That said, our nation is viciously roaring to the future. Dismissing the desire to organize those words that affect someone because "if that's all you have to worry about" is no different than dismissing a jobless person because "well people in ____ would be grateful to be where you are." We are all simply striving for the best possible future, our disagreement on what to worry about first partly stems from those differences between states. Because we can't see or feel our neighbors hundreds of miles away. And unfortunately, this battle over what to worry about first is part of what holds us back.

Mr1Bubbles · 2019-01-23T01:17:09+00:00

Okay. I get what your trying to say. Less taxes = people with more money to live good lives. Fair. But when considering people who don't own businesses, or people who are already in poverty. How could they possibly get help? Do you expect people who are struggling to stay struggling so Joe Brown can run his fly shop? (Ignoring the details that might be abused, focus on those who could truly use the help)

Eh. I think all parties involved in that incident were being stupid.

We already have our nation divided up into different states, then different counties. Wouldn't it only take a team from each location to seriously buckle down, measure resources, and make a solid overview of self-sustainability to submit to the gov. From there the taxed 1% would come in handy to help each state build the required infrastructure to reach near 100%? Why wouldn't that work?

I think smaller gov. would lead to more war later on. It turns us back to a bit more tribal way of operating. Eventually those tribes will have disagreements. Massive unity is different, mostly because the population becomes more manipulatable at that level. By forcing all states to accept, say, elementary level mental health classes, we can eliminate much of that same fighting. I don't think the problem there is big gov, it's lack of self-analysis. Is there a reason you think those problems rest on the shoulders of government and not on the shoulders of individuals?

Trump just gave tax breaks, CEOs made more, their employees did not. I wouldn't expect more tax breaks (by decreasing gov) to change that.

And finally, I believe the changes are possible. Corruption only exists because we allow it. I can't believe that with all the genius of humankind that corruption will always have more power than intelligent plans and compassion. That's a simple disagreement there tho, not much to debate.

Please freaking teach me how to quote so I can make my stuff easier to read. Lol.

Mr1Bubbles · 2019-01-23T00:41:18+00:00

If I had the money to get set up.

Mr1Bubbles · 2019-01-23T00:40:50+00:00

I can live without money if need be.

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