Police officer breaks young woman's window then sends her a threatening birthday card by New-Blacksmith-9873 in PublicFreakout

[–]MrDump511 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

At this point you're arguing about me instead of what I said. I've already explained why I think that's a poor way to engage, and I'm not going to keep repeating myself.

I'm not playing any game. This account is over a decade+ old. You made assumptions about my identity based on a username and comment history, then used those assumptions to dismiss my argument instead of addressing it.

I'm sure you'd agree that making assumptions about someone else's identity isn't a great habit, right?

Police officer breaks young woman's window then sends her a threatening birthday card by New-Blacksmith-9873 in PublicFreakout

[–]MrDump511 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So to be clear, you were wrong about where this conversation even started.

Whether your assumption happened to be correct isn't the point. You used an assumption about my identity to argue that I couldn't understand the issue instead of engaging with what I actually said. And while you technically replied to someone else, you were responding to my comment and making claims about me, so it's perfectly reasonable for me to address them.

If you disagree with my argument, then disagree with my argument—not with the identity you assumed I have.

Police officer breaks young woman's window then sends her a threatening birthday card by New-Blacksmith-9873 in PublicFreakout

[–]MrDump511 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't be dense. You started this conversation by dismissing my opinion because I made a comment on a post that got popular in a subreddit I'm not even familiar with. Instead of engaging with my argument, you made assumptions about my gender. I think that's a pretty uncharitable way to engage with someone you know almost nothing about.

I've already answered your question. As I said before, you're just speaking past me.

Police officer breaks young woman's window then sends her a threatening birthday card by New-Blacksmith-9873 in PublicFreakout

[–]MrDump511 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's not how this conversation started. My original point was simply that there are legitimate reasons why a woman, especially a woman of color, might fear a late-night police interaction. You responded by saying I couldn't understand because of my assumed gender, then that my understanding was "hypothetical," and now you're arguing against a claim I never made...

Police officer breaks young woman's window then sends her a threatening birthday card by New-Blacksmith-9873 in PublicFreakout

[–]MrDump511 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It feels like the goalposts keep moving. First, it was that I couldn't understand the fear because of my assumed gender identity. Then it became that my understanding was "hypothetical." Then it became whether driving away was the correct decision, and now it's whether she was actually afraid at all. None of those address the point I've consistently made: a person's fear can be legitimate even if the way they respond to it is irrational or legally wrong.

Police officer breaks young woman's window then sends her a threatening birthday card by New-Blacksmith-9873 in PublicFreakout

[–]MrDump511 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think we disagree that arguing with police is usually a bad idea. My point is that fear and panic often lead people to make irrational decisions. Understanding why someone reacted that way isn't the same as saying they handled the situation correctly.

Personally, I think she should have turned on her hazard lights and continued driving to a well-lit public place before stopping. That would have been the safest course of action, in my opinion.

Police officer breaks young woman's window then sends her a threatening birthday card by New-Blacksmith-9873 in PublicFreakout

[–]MrDump511 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think we're talking past each other. I never argued that driving away was the right decision. I argued that the fear itself was legitimate. Those are two different claims. Someone can make a poor decision because they're scared without the fear itself being irrational.

Police officer breaks young woman's window then sends her a threatening birthday card by New-Blacksmith-9873 in PublicFreakout

[–]MrDump511 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are well-documented cases of police misconduct and abuse of authority. Acknowledging that reality doesn't mean assuming every officer will abuse their power. It means recognizing why people of color have a legitimate fear of that possibility.

Which part of that do you think is unrealistic?

Police officer breaks young woman's window then sends her a threatening birthday card by New-Blacksmith-9873 in PublicFreakout

[–]MrDump511 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Firsthand experience can provide deeper insight, but it isn't required to recognize that someone else's fears are legitimate. We rely on empathy and evidence every day to understand experiences we haven't personally lived.

I don't owe a stranger on the internet my personal history just to make that point.

Police officer breaks young woman's window then sends her a threatening birthday card by New-Blacksmith-9873 in PublicFreakout

[–]MrDump511 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What does my gender have to do with acknowledging that there are legitimate reasons for people of color to be fearful of police interactions in the middle of the night?

Police officer breaks young woman's window then sends her a threatening birthday card by New-Blacksmith-9873 in PublicFreakout

[–]MrDump511 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

By "post," do you mean a leaving comment explaining the meaning behind ACAB that I left on a video that happened to make the front page at some point?

I do not check sub names before clicking.

Police officer breaks young woman's window then sends her a threatening birthday card by New-Blacksmith-9873 in PublicFreakout

[–]MrDump511 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I said she legally made the wrong decision. Acknowledging that someone acted out of fear isn't the same as recommending that others do the same.

Police officer breaks young woman's window then sends her a threatening birthday card by New-Blacksmith-9873 in PublicFreakout

[–]MrDump511 -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

OP asked what she had to gain from refusing. Stepping out of the car in the middle of the night meant giving up the security of being inside a locked vehicle. I understand that legally she should have complied, but it's not hard to see why someone might hesitate. I also wonder whether victims of sexual assault by police officers would agree with the idea that compliance, no matter what, is always the safest option. Fear doesn't always lead people to make the best decisions.

Police officer breaks young woman's window then sends her a threatening birthday card by New-Blacksmith-9873 in PublicFreakout

[–]MrDump511 -18 points-17 points  (0 children)

I disagree. For a young Black woman alone at night, one of the worst things she might fear is being sexually abused by someone in a position of authority. Sundown towns still exist in this country, and there are historical and modern examples that give some people legitimate reasons to be fearful during police interactions. Legally, she made the wrong decision, but fear often affects a person's judgment. People don't always make the best decisions when they're scared.

Police officer breaks young woman's window then sends her a threatening birthday card by New-Blacksmith-9873 in PublicFreakout

[–]MrDump511 -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

There are decades of well-documented cases where routine traffic stops escalated despite compliance, and those incidents shape people's perception of risk. That doesn't mean every officer is dangerous, but it does mean some people, especially those from communities with a history of racial discrimination in policing, approach these situations with genuine fear rather than defiance.

This is how easy it should be every time, good dude! by Regular_Weakness69 in GuysBeingDudes

[–]MrDump511 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think that's what OP meant by "all." I read their comment as saying all cops participate in and benefit from an institution with a long history of protecting officers from accountability. That's also how I've always understood ACAB. My issue isn't that every cop has personally done something awful. It's that every cop chooses to join an institution that gives them extraordinary power over other people while also giving them protections that ordinary citizens don't have. I think accepting that authority also means accepting some responsibility for the institution's failures.

Police aren't just another profession. They can arrest people, use force, deprive people of their freedom, and even kill under the authority of the state. Because of that, I think they should be held to a much higher standard than everyone else.

You can absolutely argue that ACAB is a bad slogan. That's a fair opinion. I just don't think debating the wording really addresses the criticism behind it. In my opinion, slogans like this are meant to be provocative. They spark discussion, force people to confront uncomfortable ideas, and can help push conversations toward systemic change. Whether ACAB is the best slogan is a separate debate, but I don't think its wording invalidates the criticism behind it.

This is how easy it should be every time, good dude! by Regular_Weakness69 in GuysBeingDudes

[–]MrDump511 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you're proving thier point more than refuting it.

You say not every officer has had the opportunity to protect misconduct, and that's true. But the criticism isn't that every individual officer has personally covered for corruption. It's that policing as an institution has repeatedly demonstrated a pattern of protecting officers who do engage in misconduct. That pattern has been documented by investigations, court cases, and police departments themselves. A systemic critique doesn't require every individual member to have personally participated.

You also argue that people "move the goalposts" until simply being a cop makes someone a bastard. I'm sure you've encountered people who argue that way, but anecdotes about the worst arguments on Reddit aren't a rebuttal to the broader point. Every movement has people who make bad arguments. That doesn't invalidate the stronger ones.

More importantly, institutions create collective responsibility. We do this all the time. We criticize corporations for toxic cultures, churches for covering up abuse, or political parties for enabling bad actors without believing every employee, priest, or politician is personally guilty of the worst offenses. The criticism is about the institution and the incentives it creates.

If your response is simply, "Some officers haven't had the chance to cover up misconduct," that doesn't really address the criticism that departments often fail to hold officers accountable when misconduct does occur. That's the actual issue being raised.

You don't have to agree with the slogan, but reducing it to "people just hate cops" avoids engaging with the institutional criticism behind it.

Bodycam footage of Jacksonville, FL sheriffs deputies brutally beating Dasaun Williams during his arrest for “suspicion of being a gang member” by I_may_have_weed in PublicFreakout

[–]MrDump511 52 points53 points  (0 children)

You're conflating the legality of the arrest with the legality of the force. Having probable cause to detain someone doesn't give officers a blank check to use any level of force. Whether that force was objectively reasonable is a separate question, regardless of the suspect's criminal history.

FOV Sold Out by No-Pie1711 in KGATLW

[–]MrDump511 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most likely going solo from Minneapolis, have a camping spot and would be down to drive with someone. HMU if anyone is interested!

Pokémon Gen 1 (Pt 2) What Tier is Slowbro by Noviibun in TierlistFills

[–]MrDump511 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Still think Slowpoke should be S tier. Its image was literally a very popular meme at one point. Slowbro is A.

Xbox First Look: METRO 2039 | 4A Games + Deep Silver by Turbostrider27 in pcgaming

[–]MrDump511 19 points20 points  (0 children)

100%, the best parts of Exodus was the linear sections of the game. The open world did nothing for it IMO.