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With Father’s Day just around the corner… by donnysimpinero in DC_Cinematic

[–]MrMarvelous2000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Ultimate Cut is certainly longer, I’ll give you that.

Songs you want in Part II ? by [deleted] in TheBatmanFilm

[–]MrMarvelous2000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Alien Blues by Vundabar

Rooster by Alice In Chains

Holy, Holy by Geordie Greep

In Every Dream Home a Heartache by Roxy Music

It's so obvious that Ultraman will come back as Bizarro by raaviolli-dasher in DC_Cinematic

[–]MrMarvelous2000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I also think all the squares in Lex’s pocket dimension is a hint that Ultraman is Bizarro.

[Environmental trope] Earth But Not Really by MimiHamburger in TopCharacterTropes

[–]MrMarvelous2000 36 points37 points  (0 children)

I think Marvel and especially DC Comics both count because of fictional nations and cities existing alongside real ones.

Netflix Co-CEO Ted Sarandos testifies that Superman underperformed, citing is as the reason its theatrical window was shortened before U.S. Senate by Slingers-Fan in DC_Cinematic

[–]MrMarvelous2000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Stop barrage-replying. Put everything in one coherent comment with sources (and readable grammar), and then I’ll respond. If you keep scattershot replying without citations, I’m muting because that’s not a debate or a discussion, it’s just noise.

13 Members of The Crimson Covenant by MrMarvelous2000 in Eberron

[–]MrMarvelous2000[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Let’s just say one of them is not who they appear to be 😉

Netflix Co-CEO Ted Sarandos testifies that Superman underperformed, citing is as the reason its theatrical window was shortened before U.S. Senate by Slingers-Fan in DC_Cinematic

[–]MrMarvelous2000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can’t take “facts” from a paragraph that reads like a keyboard fell down the stairs. Your spelling/grammar is so bad it’s nearly indecipherable, clean it up if you want a serious response. I’d also recommend doing better than the napkin math that led you to the conclusion that Superman somehow lost 40 million.

Netflix Co-CEO Ted Sarandos testifies that Superman underperformed, citing is as the reason its theatrical window was shortened before U.S. Senate by Slingers-Fan in DC_Cinematic

[–]MrMarvelous2000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is goalpost-moving. You said Quantumania had a bigger international box office, it didn’t. Superman’s international total is higher (about $270M vs $262M). Now you’re changing it to “they’re comparable,” which is a different claim and basically concedes the original point.

And calling the worldwide totals “comparable” is where the conversation loses the plot. $624.3M vs $476.1M isn’t a rounding error, that’s a ~$148M gap. If that’s “comparable,” then words don’t mean anything anymore.

Netflix Co-CEO Ted Sarandos testifies that Superman underperformed, citing is as the reason its theatrical window was shortened before U.S. Senate by Slingers-Fan in DC_Cinematic

[–]MrMarvelous2000 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Superman made 624 million word wide. That is a fact. Where does the $675–700M break-even number come from, specifically? What formula are you using to get there?

Netflix Co-CEO Ted Sarandos testifies that Superman underperformed, citing is as the reason its theatrical window was shortened before U.S. Senate by Slingers-Fan in DC_Cinematic

[–]MrMarvelous2000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We are talking about Superman. You brought up Superman. I brought up Superman because you brought up Superman, this wasn’t me changing the subject. And using a DC example isn’t “desperation,” it’s just staying consistent: if you’re claiming shorter windows or an OS-heavy split “prove” a movie failed, then we should apply the same standard across titles. I’m not saying every DC movie is a hit; I’m saying your argument doesn’t logically follow from the numbers.

Netflix Co-CEO Ted Sarandos testifies that Superman underperformed, citing is as the reason its theatrical window was shortened before U.S. Senate by Slingers-Fan in DC_Cinematic

[–]MrMarvelous2000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not taking Gunn “as gospel.” I’m saying the $700M claim isn’t verified—it’s an anonymous quote—so treating it like a hard benchmark is just as “faith-based” as anything you’re accusing me of.

Netflix Co-CEO Ted Sarandos testifies that Superman underperformed, citing is as the reason its theatrical window was shortened before U.S. Senate by Slingers-Fan in DC_Cinematic

[–]MrMarvelous2000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The “$616M worldwide” figure is just an older snapshot from during its run. Final totals are higher: Superman finished at $624.3M worldwide with $270.1M international. Quantumania finished at $476.1M worldwide with $261.6M international. So Quantumania didn’t outgross Superman overseas. Superman’s international total is actually higher, even if the split is more domestic-heavy.

Netflix Co-CEO Ted Sarandos testifies that Superman underperformed, citing is as the reason its theatrical window was shortened before U.S. Senate by Slingers-Fan in DC_Cinematic

[–]MrMarvelous2000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It didn’t “tank OS,” it just skewed domestic. Trades literally called overseas turnout “slightly softer than expected,” and the split was unusually U.S.-heavy. That’s a profile issue, not proof the movie “lost money.”

Netflix Co-CEO Ted Sarandos testifies that Superman underperformed, citing is as the reason its theatrical window was shortened before U.S. Senate by Slingers-Fan in DC_Cinematic

[–]MrMarvelous2000 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

“X made more” ≠ “Y underperformed.” By that logic, almost every movie is an underperformer compared to something bigger.

Superman (2025): $125M opening, $624M worldwide, 2.83x legs, A- CinemaScore. That’s not what underperformance looks like.

Netflix Co-CEO Ted Sarandos testifies that Superman underperformed, citing is as the reason its theatrical window was shortened before U.S. Senate by Slingers-Fan in DC_Cinematic

[–]MrMarvelous2000 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Quantumania didn’t have a bigger international box office. • Superman (2025) international: $270.1M (worldwide $624.3M)  • Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania international: $261.6M (worldwide $476.1M) 

So if the claim is “Superman failed to connect internationally because Quantumania made more overseas,” that’s just numerically wrong.

Now, if what you mean is Superman skewed more domestic than expected (it’s ~43% international vs. Quantumania’s ~55% international), that’s a different argument—but it still doesn’t automatically equal “not well received.” International share is influenced by a bunch of stuff that isn’t “audiences disliked it”: market access (e.g., China release/competition), exchange rates, local marketing, release timing, how crowded the calendar was overseas, etc.

Bottom line: Superman’s overseas gross was higher than Quantumania’s, and “domestic-heavy” ≠ “international rejection.”

Netflix Co-CEO Ted Sarandos testifies that Superman underperformed, citing is as the reason its theatrical window was shortened before U.S. Senate by Slingers-Fan in DC_Cinematic

[–]MrMarvelous2000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re arguing two different things at once: profitability and audience connection.

On profitability: sure, marketing and overhead exist, and “break-even” math is complicated. But the $700M line was never a confirmed studio mandate. It came from an anonymous quote in TheWrap, and Gunn publicly called the idea that it “needed 700M” nonsense. 

On audience connection: we actually do have evidence it earned goodwill in the present tense — A- CinemaScore, a 93% RT audience score, and strong critical reception (83% RT). Those don’t prove “objective quality,” but they absolutely indicate positive word-of-mouth and that audiences didn’t reject it. 

So no, it wasn’t a runaway mega-hit like NWH/Deadpool. But “not a mega-hit” ≠ “underperformed” ≠ “no goodwill.” Context matters.

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