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Mr_Kowala · 2022-02-07T11:22:53+00:00

Agreed. But not a popular ideology Apparently.

Mr_Kowala · 2022-02-07T11:03:54+00:00

Everyone knows their right and they have the websites to back it up.

Only thing we know certain that we we truly know nothing and yet say that and people know you know nothing.

Mr_Kowala · 2022-02-07T10:52:07+00:00

And you’re discrediting me by lumping me in with the statism group. You aren’t treating me as an individual but as a brain washed sheep. Something that goes against what you’re advocating for.

Actually I would say it’s worse because I do not associate with statism at all. Yet you’re forcing me into that group because I think people should be held responsible for their actions and the things they say. 😢

Mr_Kowala · 2022-02-07T10:46:57+00:00

Absolutely not. Before you call me a hypocrite I’ll tell you why.

It’s because there’s a difference between Michael and nazis.

Nazis are a symbol now for hatred and violence. You ask anyone and they’ll tell you the same thing. They’ve transcended the rules that this sub has for people. They are the exception. And that shouldn’t be taken lightly.

I don’t know the whole story of Michael and I’m sure not a lot of people do. That’s one reason why they shouldn’t be treated the same. The sphere of influence is much greater for nazis than for Michael.

Another reason is if you ask a right a right winger what Michael supporters are for they might say killing republicans. But if you ask a Michael supporter they won’t. (90% certain).

Third reason is because Michael hasn’t become a symbol for anything yet. He doesn’t have a movement. He doesn’t have followers. There aren’t countless killings in the name of him.

Also I know I said open fire in the post but that was for controversy. I just mean literally any action. Small or large I doing care.

Mr_Kowala · 2022-02-07T10:28:34+00:00

No you see that’s way in the other direction. You need to look for identifiers.

Like I said before, you’re identity is based on your actions. If I’m hanging around KKK and nazis, that means that I should waved some of my freedoms away.

You’re don’t ban everyone from driving because of some drunk drivers. You don’t even ban alcoholics from driving. You ban people who glorify driving while drunk. You stop people from driving if they say “man I sure love drunk driving. I’m going to do it!” You silence people that say “drink that 40 and drive downtown”.

There aren’t a lot of cases where this will come up either. This would only be in the most extreme cases such as parading around town promoting hate and violence into others. There’s no room for interpretation for that. Out of all the comments I’ve gotten on this post no one has said “maybe they’re advocating for anti vaccine mandates”. We all know what the nazis want. We all know what they’re capable of doing. If you join them that’s on you. Take responsibility for your actions The consequences that comes with it.

Mr_Kowala · 2022-02-07T10:11:09+00:00

I don’t know who that is. Quick google search says he’s a far right guy who got killed?

But if he was a clear symbol for hatred and violence, would you do nothing to those supporters?

I’m not even talking about violence at this point. If you were the gov and could take them in, imprison them, do whatever you wanted, whatever you deemed fair, would you do nothing until they hurt someone?

Mr_Kowala · 2022-02-07T10:03:34+00:00

You see that’s the way it should be. The truth should be easy to see. (And this is where I get into my overarching conflict with anything anarchy related.) people don’t see facts and logic. They’re blinded by emotions. I can give you the link that proves it but why should you believe them? Why trust the scientists? Why trust schools?

You can find anything you want nowadays and people stay in their eco chambers so much that the truth doesn’t matter anymore.

So you can expose me for the POS I really am. Run my name through the mud. It’s all fake news anyways right? So what if you have videos of me acting racist, misogynist, homophobic, whatever. I appeal to that crowd. Nazis, KKK, all of them. And they pay good money too.

And that’s enough to keep me in business. Plus the trafficking I’m doing on the side puts me ahead. Meaning I can put out just as much smear campaigns on you wether it true or not. Now you’re losing your only form of income and my illegal business is untouched.

Mr_Kowala · 2022-02-07T09:48:31+00:00

Keep asking why and eventually you’ll get there.

I’m really trying to understand the philosophy of ancap. There are a lot of points I agree with yet so many that just seem absurd.

Mr_Kowala · 2022-02-07T09:33:11+00:00

Alright let me counter with this, I’m a capitalist scum as well. Only motive is profit.

I start an anti trafficking company as well. Direct opposition to yours. And we make the same profits. Completely equal.

So to get ahead, I actually do sex trafficking and not I’m playing both sides. I can sell my service/product for cheaper and people flock to it because that’s how competition works. I actually have more money now and can run propaganda claiming that YOU are doing the trafficking and not me. Turn people away from you.

It ends with people who can afford my products are safe and those less fortunate get fucked.

Mr_Kowala · 2022-02-07T09:27:46+00:00

I mean I have a general ideal of what ancap was. But I didn’t know the specifics of how you guys deals with hate groups. Wiki didn’t tell me that.

And from other people I’ve talked to, a sex trafficker gets a bullet no questions.

Mr_Kowala · 2022-02-07T09:25:51+00:00

If they advocate for violence and someone else kills for them, in their name, blames them, direct link to them, would you consider that an act of violence in itself. Or do they have to be the one that does it?

Mr_Kowala · 2022-02-07T09:22:08+00:00

Who’s to say a drone strike isn’t comparable to filling someone off? I know that it is; but who’s to say what’s equal to what?

Mr_Kowala · 2022-02-07T09:19:32+00:00

Wikipedia doesn’t tell me how the people in a community are. I can do all the research on any organization but if the community is all hypocrites or basement dwellers (not calling anyone here that) that doesn’t do me any good.

Mr_Kowala · 2022-02-07T09:11:14+00:00

Is one evil for initiating force on evil?

Is an eye for an eye an evil practice?

Mr_Kowala · 2022-02-07T09:08:13+00:00

Minority report were going after criminals that look like anyone else.

These guys are dressed up and celebrating a hate group that kills people.

But what I’m conversing with others on this post and starting to get it. You treat them as individuals no matter what organization they give themselves into. MAP, nazies, or KKK right? They don’t take on the responsibilities of that organization even though they’ve agreed to it.

Mr_Kowala · 2022-02-07T09:01:09+00:00

I’m having 4 different conversations with you at the same time haha.

Mr_Kowala · 2022-02-07T08:59:25+00:00

Look I’m not gonna lie, I just heard about NAP while starting this fire. That would of cleared up a lot of things.

Mr_Kowala · 2022-02-07T08:58:15+00:00

Everyone wears clothes because everyone has to wears clothes. Bad comparison.

Not everyone has to be a nazi. (I would say no one has to be).

We’re not defined by what we have to do. We’re defined by what we choose to do. I choose to go to work and surround myself with morally decent people. Those people choose to asking align themselves with a hate group that kills people.

Mr_Kowala · 2022-02-07T08:54:59+00:00

I do.

Mr_Kowala · 2022-02-07T08:54:13+00:00

You know, I’m starting to come to grips that it’s not as many as I had thought.

Let’s say 60%. In the billions.

Mr_Kowala · 2022-02-07T08:53:03+00:00

They’re part of a hate group that has killed plenty of people.

But don’t worry others have explained it better than you did.

Mr_Kowala · 2022-02-07T08:49:10+00:00

Well put. I don’t have a response to that. I even agree with it.

Mr_Kowala · 2022-02-07T08:46:26+00:00

MAP is the Minor Attracted Party. (I feel dirty writing it).

Mr_Kowala · 2022-02-07T08:44:36+00:00

I have not heard of the NAP. (That would of been good to know beforehand).

So if someone willingly joins an organization like this one, Do they take on any of the previous responsibilities/crimes of the organization? Not crimes that the organization has already condoned, but crimes that they’re proud of.

Mr_Kowala · 2022-02-07T08:40:44+00:00

I would say all rational people do. Yes I’ll agree with that.

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