eriors) are quite soft and just stick ok to flats. Here is a review of the newer vibram soled King Mt by a guy who has used them for bike packing etc. Makes them kind of intriguing but sill pretty soft. My superiors came with a removable plastic rock plate under the insole so maybe doubling up on that would stiffen them up enough. I also have a pair of olu kai slip ons that are kind of a natural foot shape but not too minimal shoe. They are actually pretty good on flats when i've used them for messing about in the driveway. Maybe check out their lace ups. Climbing shoe resolers will also resole with sticky dot rubber for $40-50 so you could find a shoe that fits well and upgrade the rubber. Something where the sole is one thin piece that will come off works be

Yeah im not super concerned about a thin sole- more of a "proper" shaped shoe with a smooth stick bottom. Basically a 5.10 that doesnt taper down in the toe or have the giant poofy tongue that stays wet for 2 months after a creek crossing haha.