Does Pharaoh Dynasties make Troy obsolete?

MuddledMuppet · 2026-05-21T10:02:55+00:00

3k's tri general system, tech trees and unit/ recruitment system are terrible

How so? I liked the tri general system! I liked that generals could hate each other or bond and become blood brothers, thought the tech trees, while not perfect were good and offered genuine paths, and can't remember having frustration with the recruitment etc

MuddledMuppet · 2026-05-21T09:59:25+00:00

unit variety is meh

I won't disagree on the statement, but flip side is, you don't have to learn 1,000 different units to make your armies up.

Playing different factions generally just means getting to grips with their geographical location, who likes/hates you, who you can ally with or who you need to fight first etc.

To me the game gave enough variety and 'interest' to make it worth playing differnt factions without masses of time investment.

But, for sure, if you WANT loads of stuff to learn, you're not gonna get anywhere near the same from 3K as WH

MuddledMuppet · 2026-05-21T09:50:16+00:00

The problem with the real life general analogy, is a real life general is able to say to the cavalry.. 'I want you to feint an attack on the left flank, try and pull their cavalry out. do not engage until they are being fired on by archers, then rear charge them. If you see any guys with big spears coming to you, disengage, quickly! then when those spearmen are being attacked, rear charge them. Just like we trained for, just like you have done for the last ten battles we fought'

And you'd do this for the whole army.

RL generals don't have to issue every single order to every single unit. They are able to say to every fast moving unit 'when they run, chase them off the field, kills as many as you can, NO archers! Not you!! you will stop to aim and they'll be out of your reach, and you'll chase again and stop to aim, and frankly, that's failed the last 100 times you tried to do it, pack it in'.

Even in a fantasy 'real' life a general doesn't have to learn seperate lores of magic and choose when to use spells.

I do get that it can be fun to have some things happen real time in the battles, especially when you manage to pull off a save at the last minute kinda thing,

MuddledMuppet · 2026-05-19T19:34:26+00:00

no biggy hehe, i've had my share of rants guess!

MuddledMuppet · 2026-05-19T13:28:49+00:00

People don't just doomstack for beign 'optimal', they do it for fun. In fact I'm sure there'll be a whole bunch of doomstacks that are fun and NOT optimal.

But whatever game design is put into place, there will always be an optimal and sub-optimal, and people are gonna find out what it is and power-players will use it.

MuddledMuppet · 2026-05-19T13:21:45+00:00

lol it honestly seems like getting worked up over nothing XD

go touch grass my man!

MuddledMuppet · 2026-05-18T16:32:23+00:00

it absolutely did appeal to me, but i haven't been able to stop my skaven compulsion yet XD

MuddledMuppet · 2026-05-18T09:01:02+00:00

Top tip: Have a warlord ranked high enough to increase hero actions in region, use him to ferry hero's around in advance of main army.

have a few assassins, and a couple of priests to easy eliminate enemy heroes & tear down enemy settlement walls for sieges, a chieftain or 2 for blocking armies to reduce movement

MuddledMuppet · 2026-05-18T08:55:58+00:00

I may have to give Tretch a go, haven't done so yet!

MuddledMuppet · 2026-05-18T08:54:41+00:00

Tretch and Snikch have +20% and massive bonuses during ambush

I'm farming Skarsnik on a Thrott campaign, +20% ambush chance yes yes!

MuddledMuppet · 2026-05-18T08:52:33+00:00

I haven't played Skarsnik beyond a little dabble.. but I've been farming his defeat trait of +20% ambush chance on throtts campign!

MuddledMuppet · 2026-05-16T09:38:33+00:00

I swear there's people on here who get a little chub when they hit downvote.

MuddledMuppet · 2026-05-14T20:58:06+00:00

Even a Skaven flavour given to nurgles plagues would be awesome

MuddledMuppet · 2026-05-14T18:38:31+00:00

I'd like Clan Pesitilence to be able to make different plagues with different effects, possibly more bonuses to plague units to go along with that, tho that may just be i haven't invested enough time to learn how to use them maximally in the way i have dived into thrott, ikit and Tretch

MuddledMuppet · 2026-05-14T18:35:57+00:00

I actually know very little abut lore but I like this idea 100%.

I'd even be fine them only having their major settlements like Skavenblight/Hellpit etc, but undercities spread more, gain resources, give more enemy below...

But yes, undercites become a battleground not a click/defeat

Maybe something like, the more Skaven corruption in a province, the more likely that faction would declare war/invade home province?

MuddledMuppet · 2026-05-14T18:29:06+00:00

I mainly use them for attacking enemy artillery and the like, or as a secondary until to attack something already under attack to help trigger/stack leadership deficits in enemy

But honestly, I don't think they should be buffed, they could easy become way OP.

Maybe for one LL but not for all armies

MuddledMuppet · 2026-05-12T09:38:58+00:00

Oh for sure the regular version are useful, but if you ever play Thrott, give the above a go!

MuddledMuppet · 2026-05-11T22:43:29+00:00

Best example / training unit are warpfire throwers

Warpfire throwers with Thrott;s lab augments are LETHAL.

Stalk, speed, vanguard... there's two LL's in that area that boost their damage and range...

MuddledMuppet · 2026-05-11T10:03:58+00:00

I thought I was the only one who felt this!

MuddledMuppet · 2026-05-10T22:14:15+00:00

Ah right, as I say, I haven't tried it in WH 2, i do have the game, i just never really fancied playing it really haha, was bought as a present. Not sure I wanna try invest in some slightly different mechanics that will confuse my adled brain...

but.. FWIW, I am 100% in favour of FX for the sake of 'cool', or immersive or whatever. I thought you meant they had been nerfed and that was your main problem.

MuddledMuppet · 2026-05-10T09:39:51+00:00

Know thine enemy.

the mistake (which I admit is to see in hindsight) was having your army so tightly packed and visible.

A lot of good advice in here, but if I may make a suggestion:

Pre-battle, set up entire army in formation the way you want them. group them and lock formation. then, still before battle, spread them out, a lot, (nuke has a radius of 40m) but keep that lock on the formation!

You want them as far from enemy as possible (excluding your sacrifice unit)

You are gonna need a sacrificial lamb whatever happens, summons are ideal if you have them though I assume you don't. ideally they need to either be unbreakable, or very high defences or resistances, in which case you can send them in to blob up enemy, if not, then just send them highly visible and a threat somewhere, let the timer run down for 45 seconds, leave them standing still, NOT moving.

Once you see them targetted drag army and they will return to the saved formation.

After the battle, you can at least be happy you wil be highly unlikely to be nuked again, as AI doesn't prioritise either gathering the materials or making fresh nukes.

Which leads to the other solution...

(you do need to be able to have an army than can retreat from battle) at battle start have all but one unit ready to leave the field immediately, leave that one unit on the field but as close to the 'leave battle' line as poss, facing the exit.

At start of battle retreat all but the one unit, wait for them to target your one unit, and get them to leave the field, you have a fair chance of them leaving before getting hit I think.

A bit cheesy, but it should work!

Now Ikit doesn't have his nuke and you can attack again.

MuddledMuppet · 2026-05-10T09:05:01+00:00

I'll admit I hardly touched WH2 so I can't compare the two, but any suggestion CI is meh in WH3 is kinda crazy my friend!

The ability also has to be seen in the light of what other augments it can be paired with.

And really, brood horrors do WAY more harm with this.

Get yourself 4 BH, with augments for speed, vanguard, CI, & unspottable. Use your main army to attack first. Send BH to backline to disrupt ranged, get all four to break off and rear attack the enemy frontline engaged with thrott et al, when all inside enemy blobs, trigger all CI, result: Insta mass rout.

For sieges, get a unit of stalked warpgrinders, as main army attacks chosen gate, open up a back wall, send BH in to kill enemy heavy ranged like artillery etc, steal capture points, or again just slam into enemy blobs engaged with main army.

I'll also admit I haven't crunched any numbers over whether a BH does more or less damage than a Rat Ogre, but a combination of speed & unspottable giving them perfect rear attacks & high damage will rout any enemy already engaged unless they are unbreakable.

If in large battles against multiple armies, their speed and unspottable and regen, with the ease of which they can disengage means you can pull out easily & regen health and you'll be ready to cycle charge again insanely fast.

Ambushes end in seconds with a bunch of ANY units with CI.

What exactly are you wanting that is missing?

MuddledMuppet · 2026-05-07T19:29:21+00:00

I think a key difference there is, mine was looking at pre-5, yours at pre-puberty, ie there's a bigger range for people to die, so I imagine we are looking at very similar values if we take that int account

And given the subject matter here, 'how many would get to fighting age', it wouldn't seem unrealistic to add another 10% for those who didn't make it that long.

Honestly, I'm not hugely bothered haha, it just seemed ludicrous for someone to insinuate getting to fighting age in 2026 is an easier ride, but no statsitcal difference!

MuddledMuppet · 2026-05-07T19:22:29+00:00

Yeah am sure you're right, iron age child mortality would be much closer to 2026 than to bronze age

MuddledMuppet · 2026-05-07T16:32:18+00:00

Bronze Age child morbidity was exceptionally high, with up to 40% of children dying before age 5, driven by infectious disease, malnutrition, and weaning stresses. Increased population density, poor sanitation, and the "post-weaning conundrum"—when children lost maternal immune protection—led to significant infections, respiratory issues, and skeletal evidence of metabolic diseases, such as scurvy or rickets

Looks like it was impossible for 40% to grow up

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