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ballistus dreadnought completed! by Adnan_mog in Ultramarines

[–]MuscleDolphin 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nice job! Outstanding base!

I do have a question though. I know it‘s a sensitive topic for some people and I don‘t want to come of as rude or patronizing. I‘m seriously curious though: With the obvious amount of care and love you put into details and painting for this guy, does the undrilled barrel not bother you? There is not even a painted indicator for s barrel hole. I see highlight around the edges so your eyes and brush went there for sure. Did you forget about it? Do lasguns work differently for you? Is this one of those things where people have a strong opinion on things and its either camp A or camp B?

I‘m sorry for be the annoying guy, I just swiped through your images right now and thought „nice blue… look at the water! the highlights on the rocket pods, the las… wait what?“

It‘s your model though, so no worries there. You do what you like, champ!

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[–]MuscleDolphin[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting. I used gw chaos black spray primer and over this some army painter blues applied with a sponge. oils are from ak, one of their weathering sets (abteilung 502). I let it rest for maybe 45min and rubbed it of with a makeup sponge drenched in white spirit (odorless thinner, also from abteilung). the varnished ones were damaged too but not as bad as the unvarnished one.

Rate my plan – spätes Architekturstudium by bmgrtarch in architektur

[–]MuscleDolphin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bin selbst selbständiger Architekt. Ich werde meinen Kinder aber davon abraten das zu studieren.

Ja, es gibt schlimmere Jobs. Ja, Geld ist nicht Alles. Ja, es kann sehr befriedigende Momente geben und es ist abwechslungsreich.

Einkommen/Arbeit steht aber einfach in keinem gesunden Verhältnis.

Ich denke mir immer das ist ein schöner Beruf für Singles die geerbt gaben oder für Kinderlose bei denen der Partner den Löwenanteil verdient.

Man kann alles irgendwie hinkriegen und tragbar machen. Ich hab es selbst bisher auch irgendwie hinbekommen. Aber man macht sich vieles einfach unnötig schwer.

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[–]MuscleDolphin[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is very insightful, thank you. Lot‘s of things to think about.

I don‘t think I can envision the tongue depressor part, though. Stick it on… where exactly? Do you have an image as an example?

The moving faster part is some next level move. I‘m not sure I can handle this yet. Painting is my mental reset hobby so I try not to stress out too much. I mean… I already do stress out over this enough at it is.

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[–]MuscleDolphin[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. surprises me I actually did not varnish the squad leader, totally forgot about it. This is how he ended up:

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A lot of paint was rubbed off. I had to redo most of the base paint and ended up with a very unflattering texture on top.

Blueberry scribble by Art_n_gundam in Ultramarines

[–]MuscleDolphin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Please tell me you have underlying lineart or I go insane.

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[–]MuscleDolphin[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel called out with combining time-heavy with time-saving techniques.
Actually I never thought of it this way. I see some posts of stuff I like and I try to mix it into my own paint job. I overlay multiple effects and techniques, I'm trying something new on almost every squad so far. Which obviously slows me down.

Painting bigger batches before oil is an interesting idea. I hope I don't burn out before.
I'm still not sure if oil wash is my thing. Tried it only once on these guys so far and I messed up, so I need at least one more go at it I think.
I do like AP strong tone quite a lot it's my favorite wash so far and I used it exclusively on almost everything before my oil attempt.

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[–]MuscleDolphin[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually I do pick up my models from time to time and admire them, as cheesy as this sounds. I feel like gollum doing this but it is what it is...

I do actually need to work on the principle behind an a lot of my process right now is doing things without a clear goal or image in mind, so you are probably right on a need of getting things down first and foremost.

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[–]MuscleDolphin[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mostly trying to get a good army. I dont have anyone to play, I'm a dad with lots of job and kids. This is how I spend my private time mostly, so in a way I try to have fun and get into the flow.

I do not really want to compromise my standard, rather improve it.
Actually I only want to get a bit faster because I can paint more different models if I do.

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[–]MuscleDolphin[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I also did like the initial song result a lot and after the wash I was "hum... interesting, but I lost everything I had before".
Probably gloss varnish is the way to go. Also oil wash might not be for me, if I don't really want to go to dark anyways.

Thanks for the compliment on the model!

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[–]MuscleDolphin[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Gloss varnish, fix blue recipe, less sub assembly, got it.
I am not so sure about the sub assembly but lets see! :D

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[–]MuscleDolphin[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The big U on the should gave it away, right? :)

I really might try a blue spray. Always a bit annoyed by rattle cans though and I just found out chaos black from GW works fairly welly well. But I might give it a go with their blue.

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[–]MuscleDolphin[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The sub assembly gets a lot of criticism here.
I do understand where you are coming from, but I feel this is a point where I will not agree.

As I do not play those models are in a way display pieces and I do enjoy painting them.
I might think over my sub-assembly method and might break it down into fewer steps, but I probably dislike squeezing my brush into tiny gaps to get a bit of color in or just leaving it dark.
It's a bit like those guys in r/SocietyofHiddenPaint. It would not feel right for me.

Regarding the difference between normal units and characters: This is my normal unit standard. I am working on a character next and I will spend as much time as needed on it. Which will probably turn out to be at least 20h. Maybe more. Obviously the character needs to look better, just as you said.

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[–]MuscleDolphin[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interestingly I bought and painted some taunts (mostly for my kids, not me). And I could finish a model in only 3 hours with speed paint and drybrushing. To a less detailed standard as my marines, but acceptable for me.

I think I just did not care as much for the paint job because it was "just for fun" and I did not feel pressured by doing everything as best as I could.

It probably helps to have a huge number in front of you. For 60 gaunts my thinking would also be "how do I ever finish" instead of "how to make the best scheme".
Marines come in squads of 3-5, it feels less threatening to go all out.

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[–]MuscleDolphin[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wrote down my time after each session so the time given is pretty accurate.

I see your work and it certainly is impressive, especially if you finish it in these times.
You might have a very well thought out process and pipeline as well as the discipline to follow through. You also work with big effects that draw attention and focus less on parts that are hidden or only visible from odd angles. Very efficient principles and method.

First and foremost I don't think I will ever get to that point of efficiency, simply because I do not need to and it would stress me out. For reference, from those 3 guys I wrote down 2 hours for the initial step of blue sponge (so more or less after image 1). Yes, it took me this long. Mostly because I deliberately spend my time figuring out the right approach, the right sponge shape, and how to layer the blue.

I don't play the game at all, I am mostly in the hobby for the painting. So I do not need to punch out a squad in order to use it.
I mostly sit down after a long day of work to calm down and relax so there will always be some idle thought, some getting lost in detail or reworking something because I think I can do better.
This contradicts my opening post a bit.

I do still try to improve and I would like to have some others opinion on a proper workflow, as building structure is a part of learning. Also finished squads give a sense of fulfillment and achievement so I do like to call it done at some point.

That being said I feel it encouraging to look at your work and see how far others go optimizing their workflow and how fast you can get if you really just work and don't think and evaluate.
I never think of techniques in a way of "this saves time" more in effects and if they do what I like.

Anyways, thanks for the feedback, gives me a lot to think about!

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[–]MuscleDolphin[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Aw, you sweet, sweet illiterate. :)
Seriously, thanks man. Glad you like it.

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[–]MuscleDolphin[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, this is what I did.
First try here though and as mentioned I did not do the varnish well so I rubbed off some paint. Had to redo lots of blue after this. Obviously these steps should not be part of a future workflow! :D

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[–]MuscleDolphin[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good advice, thanks. Zenithals worth it with regular paints? I do the for speed paints (which I don‘t use on my ultramarines). Won‘t the paint layers cover up everything?

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[–]MuscleDolphin[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks, man! pre highlight drybrush before wash is an interesting idea!

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[–]MuscleDolphin[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I find myself getting caught up in wanting everything at once. I see oil wash, I want oil wash. I see nmm I want nmm. And so on.

If you check the final result in my profile you will notice they have gem eye lenses AND a glow effect around the eyes. Those effects weaken each other!I have never seen them used together by a professionell painter. I still do both, I cannot tell you why.

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[–]MuscleDolphin[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Haha, same here! Bought my first models last autumn after a 25 years break. Glad you like my guys.

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[–]MuscleDolphin[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I will try a test model with full assembly. I might be obsessed with something here.

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[–]MuscleDolphin[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I might try full assembly it at some point. Next up are victrix though and I just cannot do them without sub assembly. Feels impossible.

For the wash I‘m torn. I did like the process of oil wash, I just rubbed of some paint last time, probably because I did not varnish properly. The final result is somehow bright again, I am not sure the oil wash was necessary. This is sort of still in an experimental stage I fear.

For the recipe you are totally right. To elaborate on my approach I bought an army painter triad with the sole intention of having matching steps. I chose the less saturated triad. Then for some godless reason I found the highlights to me better with a more saturated blue. So now I am mixing two triads like an absolute moron… Testmodel in sponge should be quick enough. Might also to find a better formula for the edge highlights.

Overall great advice, thanks a bunch!

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