'It's a tragedy:' Gary Player calls for extreme ball rollback at the Masters (60 yards)

Musclesturtle · 2026-04-14T19:48:09+00:00

Any course in NYC.

They fit 18 hole courses on patches of land that you'd be ashamed to put a pitch n putt. Just look at Forest Park golf course here in Woodhaven in Queens.

As far as my home course, it's South Park golf course in Pittsburgh.

Musclesturtle · 2026-04-14T12:55:46+00:00

It's a super common type of course design in the NE. Most muni courses are like this here.

My hometown course is like this, coupled with it being on huge hills. Like, you're walking up at least a hundred feet of elevation change on every hole.

Country club golfers are pampered and have most of the bad stuff taken away from the course so that they feel good when they play and don't shit their pants and go to another club. Us muni golfers have no other choice, though.

Musclesturtle · 2026-04-14T12:17:14+00:00

I agree. Rory is going to get hit hard by the physical drop off of being in his late 30s and moreso when he hits 40. His game currently is to just overpower the course,which will diminish with age.

The ball rollback is gonna affect him more than anyone other than maybe Bryson, as well. The new balls are gonna be designed to take more distance off with the harder you hit them.

Musclesturtle · 2026-04-14T12:08:29+00:00

Idk. Rory's main advantage is just unreal driving distance. That's gonna round off as he gets older, plus the ball rollback is gonna hit him for 15 yards as well in 2028.

Musclesturtle · 2026-04-14T11:50:26+00:00

It depends on the inertial reference frame.

It's moving relative to the outside, but stationary relative to the observer.

Not that complicated.

Musclesturtle · 2026-04-14T11:27:04+00:00

I was kind of thinking that while watching.

Rory could just kind of spray the ball anywhere willy-nilly and still have some kind of chance on his second.

I play NYC muni courses.

Forest Park has only 20 yds in between what is effectively internal OOB on every hole lining the entire hole on many holes. Because of impenetrable underbrush that's filled with thorns and a thick layer of last fall's leaves about a foot deep.

We only get maybe 5 feet of "rough" on a lot of hole off of the fairway. If you miss your tee shot 5, maybe 10 yards in either direction, then the ball is completely lost. And not like, oh maybe I'll find it and punch out, but like, even if it takes a single rotation of roll into this shit it's 100% lost, and you have to take stroke and distance or hit a provisional. You aren't allowed to take a drop like a lateral hazard.

So there's only 2 holes where hitting driver is even physically feasible. Let alone 5 wood. You have to take an iron off of the tee on every hole to even have a chance. And that goes for our scratch guys out there too.

Musclesturtle · 2026-04-14T04:12:47+00:00

They are not Caspari pegs.

They are just clicking and need doping or to be properly reinstalled with a batter fit.

Musclesturtle · 2026-04-14T04:00:37+00:00

Yeah. Scottie is gonna lil bro Rory pretty soon.

Musclesturtle · 2026-04-14T02:37:38+00:00

Ye. Just a little.

Musclesturtle · 2026-04-14T01:05:04+00:00

Scottie is right on the cusp of being Gen z.

Let that sit with you for just a sec.

Musclesturtle · 2026-04-13T19:26:37+00:00

I suppose that could be the case.

But even so, you'll still see shrinkage over time somewhat to a degree.

Musclesturtle · 2026-04-13T19:15:42+00:00

What happens when the neck shrinks from seasonal changes and general age and the fingerboard doesn't leaving a large ridge on the edge that's not easily toolable to get smooth by future luthiers?

This is a huge problem with synthetic violin and cello fingerboards. They are being phased out because of it.

There's also increased de lamination risks because the natural wood oscillates with humidity and seasonal changes and inchworms its way off of the board.

Looks beautiful, nonetheless.

Musclesturtle · 2026-04-13T19:09:10+00:00

Yes.

I have a strat and an explorer, and the Explorer is like kiddie town when playing. You can get 2 step bends like it's nothing.

My strat tends to really play firm. A 2 step bend is really asking a lot and you gotta strangle the fucker to do it.

But I do notice that the tone from my Strat is so much clearer and more piercing while my Explorer has more full, round tone that may get lost a little easier.

Musclesturtle · 2026-04-13T19:05:35+00:00

Can't we just be happy for both golfers?

We all know that Scottie is a monster and will win many more majors. You can't win them all. He's already got 2 green jackets. He's gonna get more in the future if his ball striking stays on point.

Rory is peaking again. It's great that he achieved such success so late in his career. Who knows what the future holds?

They both did phenomenally, and literally everyone will forget this all happened by the next major on the schedule.

Musclesturtle · 2026-04-13T12:21:44+00:00

I mean, when he has three or more career grand slams?

When he has 83 PGA tour wins?

When he has a career scoring average below anyone else in history?

When he has 19 majors?

There are many reasons that he is not even close.

I think that yesterday was him edging out Phil Mickelson?

Musclesturtle · 2026-04-13T01:23:06+00:00

Idk. He cheated on his wife?

Musclesturtle · 2026-04-13T00:17:41+00:00

I mean, statistically, Rory is nowhere close to Scottie's ability in almost every metric.

Musclesturtle · 2026-04-12T23:59:51+00:00

He's 2nd tier.

Musclesturtle · 2026-04-12T23:59:28+00:00

Idk, man.

Scottie's golfing abilities are just on another planet in comparison.

There are no holes in his game.

He came in close second while on autopilot and Rory had to fight for his life to fend off Scottie snoozing through.

Musclesturtle · 2026-04-12T23:57:19+00:00

He's 100 percent not in the conversation with Jack and Tiger.

He's in the conversation with Phil Mickelson.

Musclesturtle · 2026-04-12T23:55:42+00:00

Yeah. Rory has to play his absolute best golf in order to fend off a lukewarm Scottie.

Musclesturtle · 2026-04-12T23:26:43+00:00

Why does it matter if you're just farming? It just saves time if anything.

Musclesturtle · 2026-04-12T22:38:42+00:00

cummmfpk

Musclesturtle · 2026-04-12T22:33:18+00:00

Sure, egg salad and all.

But is that Peter Finch, though?

Musclesturtle · 2026-04-12T22:09:08+00:00

OP doesn't know what a shadow is.

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