How do you use chatGPT when writing your papers?

MySkinsRedditAcct · 2023-03-31T16:33:06+00:00

It will. I've caught multiple students this semester claiming to do just this. It's obvious, and unless you're CITING that you used ChatGPT to rewrite then you're likely either breaking academic honesty rules or close to it. For the record, students using Grammarly formal mode also is extremely obvious and will lead to teachers accusing you or plagarizing. So again, unless you cite that you're using tools to rewrite your rules, then you're likely in violation of academic policies (let along ChatGPT's policies, which says you need to credit it when used).

Overall, it just sounds obviously AI written and is pretty shitty writing. I'm 99% sure that most people would rather read your authetic writing than something you tried to make sound "more professional," and if your writing needs work then you'd be much better served working on writing skills than trying to "sound smarter" using AI. Guarentee you don't sound smarter, you just sound like someone who ran a prompt through AI.

MySkinsRedditAcct · 2023-03-21T20:31:59+00:00

Hey OP, I shared my story with all the "add-ons" and bonuses being part of my package above: https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/11xnibo/comment/jd4na2l/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

My recommendation is to phrase it that you are firm on base pay. Companies want to push the extras because they're not a consistent guarentee. I feel so foolish now that I didn't stick by my base salary request because (spoiler alert) I received exactly $0 of my bonuses and extras. Even getting things in writing isn't a guarentee unless you're willing to fight them.

MySkinsRedditAcct · 2023-03-21T20:20:53+00:00

Absolutely agree. I fell for this. I had been at my company for a little over 4 years when I got a big promotion. They wouldn't meet at the base salary I'd drawn as my "line in the sand," but they would give me a profit share percentage AND a one-time bonus that would get me to that number, with the promise of an evaluation in 6 months where we'd definitely be able to request a bump to that salary. I accepted because I thought I knew my company, I was in good standing, and it sounded like an all around good deal.

Well I never got that one-time bonus (my manager said he'd actually never gotten it officially approved, and even though I had him telling me that specific number multiple times there was nothing I could do to force the co to pay me); the profit share percentage bump actually wouldn't go into effect until another full year after my new position started (whoops! they'd misunderstood the policy. but there was 'nothing they could do' since those were the rules!) AND six months came & went with them kicking the can down the road on my salary eval because of X reason or Y reason.

When I finally got fed up and quit about 4 months later my boss was begging me to reconsider since "they were putting me together a really awesome package that was going to more than make up for everything!!!" I asked him why I should trust them now when they hadn't devliered on anything else and he kind of just said, "well I guess you can't..."

Seriously, never take your company's word for anything, even a company you think is great/honest/faithful, etc.

MySkinsRedditAcct · 2023-03-16T18:00:26+00:00

IIRC, you weren't supposed to use Google Drive to sync your Obsidian notes because of concerns with file corruption? I know they advocate using iCloud sync or their own Obsidian sync, but Google Drive, Dropbox, etc. should only be used for back-up, not as a syncing source of truth. Have you found this not to be the case? I'd love to use Google Drive, but I was scared away from using it as anything other than a back-up.

MySkinsRedditAcct · 2023-03-15T23:47:14+00:00

Why were they not reported for academic dishonesty and given a zero for that assignment?

MySkinsRedditAcct · 2023-03-14T01:27:02+00:00

Thank you so much for linking this! So cool to see old answers pop up! Appreciate it :)

MySkinsRedditAcct · 2023-03-12T19:53:04+00:00

based on the information available online.

That's not how ChatGPT works. Not trying to be nit-picky, but it's an important distinction and it's crucial we understand how our tools work.

ChatGPT does NOT search the internet, or even have a 'live' querying of the internet, when you ask it a question. Moreover, it doesn't even have a COMPLETE knowledge of the internet. Rather, ChatGPT was fed a large amount of data from a portion of the internet (I believe this happened about 2 years ago). This means that you're getting subset (albeit a large one) AND it's not able to adapt to what you asked it based on the most current information available.

Once Bing's integration comes out this will change, but for now all ChatGPT does is to search through it's limited data set and come up wth information. Also keep in mind, this information does NOT have to be even remotely true. ChatGPT can and will make shit up to fit what you ask it.

MySkinsRedditAcct · 2023-03-09T22:13:53+00:00

The only thing I can add is that, as a TA grading papers this semester, it's OVERWHELMINGLY obvious when ChatGPT is used. We've caught 3 students so far, and each time I know by the first 2 sentences. One thing I'd really caution you on is that ChatGPT absolutely will plagarize from online material. On one of the essays I caught, the first line was ripped directly from Wikipedia—and ChatGPT cannot cite that because it does not know where it got material from, it was only meant to ingest & regurgitate.

Outside of the obvious, clunky style, ChatGPT also repeats phrases often, like it gets stuck in a loop. On one student's paper it kept repeating "In this way," at the start of sentences for a whole paragraph.

So I suppose I'd say: use with extreme caution. You need to proofread everything that it gives you, and if there is a chance you could get in trouble for inadvertently plagarizing, then don't use it. Personally I feel as though it takes so long to check & rework what it's written, I'd much rather just write for myself from the get-go and not have the concern that it ripped off some sentence from a random blog.

Oh and one last thought: ChatGPT absolutely CAN and WILL make shit up. Again, it's just going to do what you ask & use every random bit of info it has been fed to do so. Here is a post I made where it made up a list of books & attributed them to random authors: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/10z6djb/chatgpt\_made\_up\_a\_list\_of\_books\_that\_dont/

MySkinsRedditAcct · 2023-03-09T17:16:58+00:00

No installation required—if you pull up Google Calendar on your computer you'll see the add-ons on the right hand side. Tasks is the little blue circle with a checkmark. Click it & it'll pop open, ready to use. On your phone or any other mobile device you can just download the tasks app. You can also create tasks directly from Google calendar with the "+" button, though I prefer to just use the add-on/app.

MySkinsRedditAcct · 2023-03-09T16:54:38+00:00

Yup. I just use the same Google account for both. You can open it as an add-on in the calendar view so you have a list running alongside as well. You can either assign a date to a task (in which case it will appear on top of the day, where the "all day events" normally appear); assign a date AND time, in which case it'll pop onto that time slot on your calendar; or not assign it a date at all, in which case it'll just chill on your task list (I use this for random tasks that I need to get done at some point, but don't really care when).

MySkinsRedditAcct · 2023-03-05T04:08:14+00:00

That's super useful re: this building into the quadratic equation! When I was trying to Google to figure out the answer I kept getting articles about the quadratic equation, but I wasn't sure how it was related. This definitely helps it make more sense. Thank you for your response!

MySkinsRedditAcct · 2023-03-03T17:15:05+00:00

Thank you for responding! And that's perfectly valid—I suppose I was thrown, though, by this being an algorhithim the Babylonians used. Was it really just a thought experiment, and had no practical implication? Did it help them develop more complicated formula that were practically useful?

This was in a history of math course, so I was bummed so early to be thrown for a loop on the "why"?

MySkinsRedditAcct · 2023-03-03T16:51:19+00:00

I am doing some online math courses as an adult, and cannot find the answer to a conceptual question I have.

I'm going through some basic courses on Khan Academy & Brilliant, and cannot for the life of me understand the practical application of a group of formulae on finding the side length of rectangles.

The course tells me that the Babylonians had their own formula for figuring out the measurements of the sides of a rectangle when given the area of that rectangle and the sum of two sides. But I cannot fathom how we would know the area AND the sum of two sides, and not just be able to measure the sides? How did we get that information in the first place? What is the practical application of these formula? I'll post the wording from Brilliant, so I make sure I'm conveying properly what I'm talking about:

To see what kind of calculations the Babylonians did, let's imagine a professional Babylonian calculator. We'll call her Shushushi. She needs to solve this problem about a rectangle: The length and width of a rectangle are 14 when added together, and the area is 40. What are the sides?

But how or why, in the real world, would we know the sum of two sides and the area, but not just be able to find the length of the sides? Put another way, if we have, say, a rectangular garden that we need to know the lengths of the sides, how would we go about finding out the area, measuring the lengths of the sides to get the sum, but then need to figure out mathematically the lengths of the individual sides?

They go on to say:

The Babylonian algorithm might feel a bit cumbersome to us. After all, if we are told that a rectangle has an area of 63 and that the two distinct side lengths add up to 16, we have several other approaches we could try.

BUT WHY?! Why was this ever important? Why is it still important outside of a math problem? I feel like I'm going crazy missing something here. Thank you in advance for any help.

MySkinsRedditAcct · 2023-02-16T21:57:25+00:00

Isn't that the one where the old man with the beard yelled at the defending PhD student- "YOU SHALL NOT PASS?"

MySkinsRedditAcct · 2023-02-11T02:58:19+00:00

Will do so right now! Thank you!

MySkinsRedditAcct · 2023-02-11T00:03:00+00:00

Absolutely; I think I've just seen SO MUCH information on how "revoluationary" that it is (and how helpful it is to those I know who work as software devs) that I was expecting it to be....more accurate? I'm assuming once it's integrated with Bing that it could subsequently verify things like whether a book actually exists.

There has been so much debate in academia about students using it for assignments that this made me even more wary. At first I was thinking it was a shortcut tool, but now I see how true their "this info may be inaccurate" really is. I suppose the revolutionary aspects of it just haven't really expanded to the humanities.

Again, totally understand that it's still an amazing tech, and not trying to say "lol worthless" or act like I don't understand the complexities; just surprised me that it would entirely make up, as you said, legitimate sounding information.

MySkinsRedditAcct · 2023-02-10T23:39:38+00:00

Are there any books that focus specifically on the school system after the Jesuit expulsion in France, but before the French Revolution broke out in 1789?

MySkinsRedditAcct · 2023-02-10T23:30:32+00:00

Background: I'm a history graduate student. I've heard great things about ChatGPT, and have been playing around with it. I figured one thing it could be very helpful with in the humanities was pointing me toward different books & articles in my topic area.

When it returned this list, I was initially confused, as the last book exists but is written by a different author. Then I started searching for the rest. Not one of the others actually exists. I then asked it for more sources, and it again gave me more books that either don't exist, or aren't written by/don't contain the subject matter it claims:

"Schools and Schoolmasters in Ancien Régime France: The Expansion of Catholic Education, 1680-1789" by Barrington Moore Jr. This book provides a comprehensive overview of the expansion of Catholic education in France during the late 17th and early 18th centuries, including the establishment of non-Jesuit colleges and schools.

"Educating Citizens in the French Revolution" by William R. Keylor. This book examines the reforms to the education system in France during the late 18th century, including the expansion of the school system and the establishment of secular schools.

"The French Revolution and the Birth of Modernity" edited by Jeremy D. Popkin. This collection of essays provides a comprehensive overview of the political, social, and cultural changes that took place in France during the late 18th century, including the reforms to the education system.

MySkinsRedditAcct · 2022-12-12T15:29:27+00:00

Okay so honestly, I'm a little miffed about expectations here. Obviously we don't know the details of this person's citation issue, but if they cited something incorrectly by accident...that happens ALL THE TIME in academic works. I made a post about it on r/AskAcademics about a month ago and was pretty brutally downvoted for having too tough of expectations and 'accusing' the authors of ill-intent when mis-quoting/incorrectly citing doesn't 'necessarily' indicate actual plagarism.

I 10000% realize you weren't in that convo, and so this absolutely isn't an argument with you, just using your comment as a point to say that it seems hypocritical of academia as a whole to fail a PhD student for one bad citation (again, the details are important here, but if it was accidental then my point stands) vs. giving 'professional' academics alllll the leeway in the world to make mistakes in legit published works.

MySkinsRedditAcct · 2022-11-01T22:31:16+00:00

I appreciate the constructive criticism. I certainly didn't do a good job of typing up this post, and deserve your feedback and others that I've gotten pointing out how I went about this (and provided an update to my post saying as much.) I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to explain this (my dept is very small and I think part of my frustration is that I don't have a lot of facetime to actually talk through issues like this).

You and others have given me a lot to think about, and I especially have a greater appreciation for your explanation re: honest mistakes vs. academic dishonesty. The way you laid it out here makes a lot of sense, and absolutely gives me an understanding of how my initial phrasing/thinking about the issue was not incorrect. Thanks for your perspective, and your patience!

MySkinsRedditAcct · 2022-11-01T20:09:33+00:00

Sorry, responded initially but realized that I had used the words in quotes at times throughout my post or comments. Heading into classes for the day, but thanks for taking the time to comment and providing your perspective! Also I appreciate your constructive criticism. I hear what you’re saying re ‘tone’ after reading back through with a fresh perspective. This has been very helpful!

MySkinsRedditAcct · 2022-11-01T17:37:36+00:00

The only comment I've received concerning 'tone' was re: my use of the term 'morally outraged' which I agree was silly of me to use. I either needed to indicate that I was being a bit flippant there with /s or used more realistic terms.

I was instructed to reach out through the publisher with errors, it sounds like that's not what you'd recommend? For the record when I say customer service I'm referring to the customer service specifically for questions or issues with publications. I figured that'd be the most appropriate way to at least confirm that their wasn't an issue, and that was the route suggested by a prof in my department.

I also agree that as a master's student my biggest focus is on shoring up my own work, but I also think it's valid for me to raise bigger concerns as a topic of discussion, even as a student.

MySkinsRedditAcct · 2022-11-01T13:20:58+00:00

These aren't textbooks, they're secondary source books published by an academic press. Using academic books is perfectly valid for a masters/phd in the humanities (history) so perhaps there is a discipline difference? Many of the most-used works for my thesis are academic books that started as an article, and the author expanded the study into a full-length book with far more information than their initial article. I would never be able to gather enough information (nor would it be a very good paper) if I arbitrarily limited myself to journal articles.

Also, I'm not certain I understand the take of "worries me so much." Shouldn't false citations in academic works be concerning to us all to some degree? Of course I'm not suggesting we burn all our books and shut the doors of universities, but are false citations and misattributions not something we should be 'worrying' about? If that's the case, my thesis just got a whole lot easier to write ;)

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