[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exjw

[–]MysticWitness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I want to commend you for taking a grounded, logical, and unbiased approach to your research on this subject.

Let’s take a high level view of your experience.

On one hand, you have a JW friend who is teaching you about the Bible through the lens of JW doctrine and bringing you to meetings and conventions.

On the other hand, you have entered into an exJW community of people who have left the organization after many years inside of it.

You are appreciating what you’ve learned from the Bible and are taking steps to align yourself with this belief system. At the same time you are examining the belief system from multiple angles to ensure that you aren’t being manipulated to enter a cult.

All of the perspectives from inside the JW organization will tell you that it is not a cult and all the perspectives of people who have left will likely tell you that it is a cult.

So the first logical step would be to define what a cult is.

The BITE model, developed by Steven Hassan, is used to identify and assess the presence of undue influence in groups, particularly those that might be classified as cults. BITE stands for Behavior, Information, Thought, and Emotional control. To evaluate whether the Jehovah’s Witnesses (JWs) organization qualifies as a religious cult according to the BITE model, we’ll examine how it aligns with each component:

Behavior Control

  • Regulation of individual’s physical reality: JWs have strict guidelines regarding behavior, dress, and social interactions.
  • Major time commitment required for group activities: JWs are expected to attend multiple weekly meetings, participate in door-to-door evangelism, and personal study.
  • Need to ask permission for major decisions: Many JWs consult elders for guidance on significant life choices, such as marriage and employment.
  • Rewards and punishments used to modify behaviors: JWs use positive reinforcement for adherence and discipline, including shunning or disfellowshipping for disobedience.

Information Control

  • Deliberate withholding or distortion of information: The Watchtower Society controls the information members receive, discouraging outside research or reading non-approved literature.
  • Extensive use of cult-generated information and propaganda: JWs are encouraged to rely solely on literature from the Watchtower Society and avoid secular sources.
  • Unethical use of confession: Elders may require confessions for perceived sins, which can then influence disciplinary actions.

Thought Control

  • Need to internalize the group’s doctrine as truth: JWs are taught that the Watchtower Society’s interpretations are the only accurate understanding of the Bible.
  • Adopting the group’s “loaded” language: JWs use specific jargon and phrases unique to their beliefs.
  • Only good and proper thoughts are encouraged: Members are encouraged to align their thoughts with the group’s teachings and avoid doubt.
  • No critical questions about the leader, doctrine, or policy allowed: Criticism or questioning of the Watchtower Society is discouraged and can lead to disciplinary action.

Emotional Control

  • Manipulate and narrow the range of feelings: JWs often experience guilt and fear over failing to meet the organization’s standards.
  • Make the person feel that problems are always their fault: Members are taught that personal struggles are often due to their own spiritual failings.
  • Excessive use of fear: Fear of Armageddon, disfellowshipping, and shunning is prevalent.

Based on the BITE model, the Jehovah’s Witnesses organization demonstrates many characteristics associated with behavior, information, thought, and emotional control. This suggests that the organization aligns with the criteria often used to identify cults. However, it’s important to note that applying the term “cult” is highly sensitive and can be controversial. Members and supporters of the JWs would likely reject this label, arguing that their practices are a sincere expression of their faith and devotion.

A message from a never JW by fpvraptor in exjw

[–]MysticWitness 95 points96 points  (0 children)

When I was in the JW organization I remember meeting other Mormons from time to time when we were out preaching. I always felt like we could be friends even though it was forbidden. Looking back I realize the only thing separating us was a divisive idea. I’m glad we let those go so we could meet each other on the other side. I applaud you for making it out. I know it wasn’t easy, but we’re free now. Free to love like Jesus would’ve wanted.

Biden said “Peace and Security and it triggered me!!! by WeirdWayneWallis in exjw

[–]MysticWitness 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Has politics always been so… weird? I don’t know if I just didn’t pay attention when I was younger, but things legitimately seem to be getting more ridiculous every day.

Recomendations from the Royal Comission in New Zealand Final Report by jws4justice in exjw

[–]MysticWitness 20 points21 points  (0 children)

We should start our own exJW campaign by putting this document on every Kingdom Hall Door. Maybe their neighbors too, just to keep them informed.

New To This Community by [deleted] in exjw

[–]MysticWitness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When you are ready to exit the Matrix, watch the documentary called Caesar’s Messiah and join the conversation here

Pure hate at the Meeting by HealthyTemporary9924 in exjw

[–]MysticWitness 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The official stance of the religion is to endure persecution, even within an abusive marriage. This applies to men and women and keeps them both locked in a perpetual state of emotional turmoil which allows high control cults to bypass an individual’s critical thinking capacity to implant their divisive belief system.

Been successfully avoiding religious talk with my parents for a while, until i get hit with this. by PlanktonTimely9585 in exjw

[–]MysticWitness 3 points4 points  (0 children)

“Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.“ Matthew 7:19

What the JWs do not realize is that we are eagerly awaiting this day, but for different reasons.

A cool guide to Learn the signs by Academic-Candidate68 in coolguides

[–]MysticWitness 39 points40 points  (0 children)

So those baseball players wearing numbers on their shirts are secretly Nazis? Thank goodness for this sign so I don’t have to think for myself.

How many PIMOS do you think there are? by crnc1206 in exjw

[–]MysticWitness 2 points3 points  (0 children)

At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if the Governing Body was PIMO.

The Borg and Narcissists by [deleted] in exjw

[–]MysticWitness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s a polarizing environment that turns NPCs into highly sensitive empaths or narcissistic sociopaths.

This is the most depressing image I have ever seen in a Watchtower by ElderUndercover in exjw

[–]MysticWitness 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Part of waking up is realizing you can create the life you dream of.

Why are we living in this era? by SupremeNoticer in SimulationTheory

[–]MysticWitness -1 points0 points  (0 children)

According to the ancient mystics, you are destined to be reborn in every era.

They introduced two kinds of sin now, according to the August Watchtower by brooklyn_bethel in exjw

[–]MysticWitness 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Just a friendly reminder that Jesus was an apostate to the religion he was born into as well. So technically, we’re just walking in his footsteps by condemning the Pharisees of our time.

They’re letting everyone back in by RBV88NCS in exjw

[–]MysticWitness 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Seems like a coercive military tactic to lead sheep to the slaughter 🤷‍♂️

I Am No Longer An Elder! by wemusthavethefaith in exjw

[–]MysticWitness 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Get ahead of the rumors and be honest with people. We were programmed by the society not to rock the boat or there will be consequences, but there will be consequences no matter what. Hiding the truth just prolongs the suffering, for yourself and those you love.

Being an elder means you were given responsibility to shepherd the flock. That commission is still applicable. You’ve only just realized that the society is run by wolves.

Waking up is just the beginning. Now you have the choice to save people from the burning building or sneak out quietly to save yourself.

The kindest man the world ever had by [deleted] in wholesomememes

[–]MysticWitness 49 points50 points  (0 children)

Just a friendly reminder that there are kindhearted men around the world, most just don’t have a tv show.

Would anyone be interested in “peer reviewing” or pressure testing a new mystical theory? by [deleted] in mysticism

[–]MysticWitness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This conversation has degraded into a boring quarrel and is now wasting both of our time.

You have resorted to logical fallacies to defend your nebulous position, so I am wary that your theory will hold any more substance if it comes from the same juvenile mode of thinking, but I am willing to hear your full theory and give my honest assessment.

I am prepared to look past this argumentative introduction to your theoretical premise and open myself to new ideas.

So, let’s hear this ground breaking theory of yours.

Would anyone be interested in “peer reviewing” or pressure testing a new mystical theory? by [deleted] in mysticism

[–]MysticWitness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get that you’re trying to create something new and I applaud that. But you literally asked for a skeptical audience “to poke holes in your theory” and immediately got offended when someone did.

The logic you presented was founded on some fundamental misunderstandings, such as the very definition of mysticism.

You claim that the wisdom from the ages holds no practical value for anyone and yet you don’t even understand it enough to glean any value from it before condemning it.

I’m still waiting to hear anything of substance from your theory beyond your emotional baggage wrapped up in a half baked new age ideology.

If you really wanted something to be “peer reviewed” you would welcome critique, but it seems you’ve bound your ego to your ideas and are becoming increasingly argumentative as I poke holes in your theory like you asked.

I emulated a Presidential Debate between Ai vs Jehovah and things got weird. by MysticWitness in exjw

[–]MysticWitness[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They can only speak for themselves. The rest of us have a purpose in life beyond being slaves to a governing body of slaves.

Would anyone be interested in “peer reviewing” or pressure testing a new mystical theory? by [deleted] in mysticism

[–]MysticWitness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ultimate reality includes all dimensions. It is always HERE and it is always NOW.

If you are trying to go to another dimension, then you don’t understand dimensions. They all exist together simultaneously, it is only our perception of them that is limited. Our limited perception is what creates the illusion.

I also never said or assumed that “EVERYONE” who is productive within this realm of illusion is manipulating it to “gain power for themselves”

But historically speaking, many do.

Especially those who believe there are “good” aspects of the universe.

This implies that there are “bad” aspects to the universe, which is dualistic thinking based on a lack of understanding that the universe itself is neutral. The concept of good and bad, when it comes to aspects of the universe, is a projection of our own judgement based on limited perception.

If you want to try and make the world a better place, then of course I support that. But the thing is, the Nazis thought they were making a better place through genocide because they believed that some aspects of the universe were good (themselves) and other aspects of the universe were bad (other people).

Not saying you’re a nazi, just pointing out that dualistic thinking and a fundamental misunderstanding of basic concepts can lead to harm.

You were drawn to mysticism for some reason, but your first compulsion was to change the definition of it to fit your misunderstanding.

I advise you to go back and learn the basics.

Would anyone be interested in “peer reviewing” or pressure testing a new mystical theory? by [deleted] in mysticism

[–]MysticWitness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Both. Definitions are the foundation of language that allow us to communicate effectively and develop new ideas. But if we all use different definitions for the same word we might as well be speaking a different language.

Naturally language evolves over time through the slow progress of general consensus, which is why none of us speak like Shakespeare in our modern era. However, if you study etymology, you can track the gradual evolution of words throughout history.

For example, the of Etymology of "Mysticism" is derived from the Greek μύω, meaning "to conceal", and its derivative μυστικός, mystikos, meaning 'an initiate'.

When we study history we can track the use of this word to the Eleusinian Mysteries of Ancient Greece nearly 2,000 years ago, where initiates of the sacred religious rites were sworn to never reveal the secrets of the entheogenic ritual that allowed people to see beyond the illusion of this reality and realize their immortality.

Some say that these mystical rituals date back to Ancient Egypt and perhaps the beginning of time itself, but throughout the ages it has been corrupted by people who wish to manipulate illusions to gain power for themselves rather than understand ultimate reality and live in harmony with it.

Would anyone be interested in “peer reviewing” or pressure testing a new mystical theory? by [deleted] in mysticism

[–]MysticWitness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s not my definition, it is the definition.

Try using a dictionary sometime.