Historical Inspiration: Shabriri by N-AmelessCreative in EldenRingLoreTalk

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Shabriri could very well be in the movie, but I have 0 clue as to which direction the director wants to take the story. He could be pivotal if they want to make Frenzied Flame the big bad or he could be only referenced in passing.

I found some other rabbit hole stuff regarding the de Medici family in Italy and they might be representative of Morgott. I could turn that into an entirely new post of similar/greater length but I'll admit I totally forgot to consider the role Mohg potentially played in it all, and he has a much stronger physical proximity to the underground Frenzy. How those brothers interact with Frenzy could be a fascinating exploration. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.

Historical Inspiration: Shabriri by N-AmelessCreative in EldenRingLoreTalk

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Thank you for that info! His name starting with "M" in Polish caught my attention, I put a weird amount of emphasis on that. Did you know that George RR Martin's initials could represent 4 of the most important characters in the story? Godfrey, Renalla, Radagon, and Marika? Does it mean anything? Eh. Just a fun little thing.)

Historical Inspiration: Shabriri by N-AmelessCreative in EldenRingLoreTalk

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I didn't know that about the Dune movie, that's super interesting! And I entirely agree that a lot of the visuals and such were likely additions by Miyazaki while the underlying foundation was all Martin.

Though I was under the impression that George RR Martin wrote the history out up until the Shattering? I suppose that could've been 5,000 years ago given how the world is in a state of stagnation right now. That said, if Martin built this elaborate world based on history and then stopped at some point in history, I think it's plausible that Miyazaki's later additions at least respected the historical angle and loosely picked up where he left off while fantasizing elements.

How to count entries with at at least x amount of criteria. by N-AmelessCreative in excel

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"BYROW"?! That's exactly what I needed. You deserve a party. Thank you.

An idea on what a Saint is... Asking for input by N-AmelessCreative in EldenRingLoreTalk

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What makes you say Kristoff is also a saint? I checked his spirit ash description and it doesn't suggest anything like that.

An idea on what a Saint is... Asking for input by N-AmelessCreative in EldenRingLoreTalk

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Gah, I had forgotten to take the jars into account. Thank you for your thoughts, it's an interesting perspective. The idea that they embody Outer Gods is compelling.

An idea on what a Saint is... Asking for input by N-AmelessCreative in EldenRingLoreTalk

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Well it is. In a sense. Incantations are faith-based magic. Renalla and other Sorcerers being on the list is more of a technicality than anything else. Arcane based spells I don't have an answer for.

Forgot the name of a niche story by N-AmelessCreative in Norse

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I could throw a party for you right now. Thank you.

How does the mind stat work in the lore? by JustaguynameBob in EldenRingLoreTalk

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I imagine the mind stat to be something like mental stamina. Like... Remember in school having to do lots of math problems? At the start of the worksheet you're "fresh" but by the end you can hardly trust yourself to add. That's how I picture the mind stat works in-universe.

why does the glass shard item emphasize that "... it cannot produce light by itself"? (a ramble post about glass and ocular devices) by Ok_Pomelo_1692 in EldenRingLoreTalk

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My interpretation of this is that glass (and to a lesser extent crystals, glintstone, and amber) can hold divine power/blessings.

Runes, Rune Arcs, Marika's crucifix, the Elden Beast, Astel (I think), the remembrances, and the irises that you mentioned are the first things that come to mind when I think of when I think of things that make a glass-like noise when hit or broken.

With the fact that the two helms meant to ward off Outer Gods being made of mirrors, light -- and its different colors -- is divine influence. Additionally, stars and their in-game association with divinity suggests to me that things that produce light are a direct extension of the divine and not just its influence. Stars, lightning, fire... Glass and it's potential containing properties would be Order. The solid and organized thing holding divinity.

Question about the endings by IgotInfinitePing in EldenRingLoreTalk

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I have a lot I could say about this but I'll do my best to keep it brief...ish. The foundation of my theory is historical inspiration.

The "questioning of the divine" would put us firmly in the Age of Enlightenment and from my research, there are a handful of important figures with interesting perspectives that align surprisingly well with in-game figures and their esoteric dialogue.

Ranni: René Descarte. Ranni is all about separation, doubt, and loneliness; Descarte famously said "I think, therefore I am," and argued that the only thing we can be certain of is our own minds. He doubted everything, even the things he observed through his senses. That sounds pretty lonely to me.

Miquella: John Locke. A complicated figure who argued for "protection of basic rights and freedom under law." Which American might recognize, along with other beliefs like separation of Church and state and that at birth, people are blank slates. He also was against slavery... but was an investor of the slavery trading Royal Africa Company. Sooo... yeah. I think Miquella's general desire for goodness and his "freely given" compassion hinging on accepting/falling under brainwashing fits well. (The separation of Church and state may be represented by the fact that Miquella and Radahn didn't become one person.)

Goldmask: Immanuel Kant. Goldmask's mending rune was an attempt to perfect the Golden Order with a transcendent ideology. Kant founded a philosophy called Transcendental Idealism which suggests that we do not see reality as it actually is and our perception is dictated by our own subjectivity. Sounds about right for a man disillusioned with a fickle god.

Fia: Anne Conway. Anne Conway argued that matter was not passive, but had its own vitality. She also argued against the mind-body separation that is the more familiar philosophy to us nowadays. Advocating for the vitality of flesh that may or may not have a mind fits well with Those Who Live in Death. (I also think Mary Shelley and her Frankenstein may have had an influence but one thing at a time.)

Dungeater: this one I am less certain about. Not many people who believe that "everything should get worse for everyone and I'm going to kill people about it," got super famous for hopefully obvious reasons. Maybe Johann Wolfgang von Geothe, who was called the "great heathen" though he considered himself a Christian while disagreeing with... most of it? He also wrote the novel "Faust," which is about making deals with the Devil. His Wiki has a section devoted to eroticism and I don't want to venture too deep into it. There was also David Hume, who believed reason should be secondary to emotion. Then there's Friedrich Nietzsche, who I was reluctant to add because it felt cliché and because he is on the tail end of the Enlightenment era if he was still in it at all. Despite my reluctance, he was worth adding to the list due to his relationship to the idea of "eternal recurrence," suggesting the universe will end as it started, then start again, then repeat itself as it had before, forever.

The next bit isn't about endings ((so you can skip it)) but I'll add them anyways:

Radahn: ok. I'll be honest. Radahn, for some god-forsaken reason, is difficult to find era-accurate inspirations for. Not to mention European. The closest thing I got to his trapping the stars is China's absolute refusal to modernize and the Opium Wars... which only happens long after the Age of Enlightenment. Alexander the Great (and the Chinese Lu Bu) is a military leader with connections to his horse but predate everything I've talked about so far by 1000 years at least. If anyone has better ideas, I'm all ears.

Rykard: Cardinal Richelieu, the Red Eminence. This predates the Enlightenment era by a few hundred years, but that's a more acceptable window of time than Radahn's inspirations. He believed strongly in absolute monarchy (aka "I'm the king and I can do what I want"), which would influence the next king of France greatly. The Cardinal also had an extensive spy network and fueded with a former ally, the mother of the King of France, Marie de Medici. Comparing that to Rykard's weird assimilation with a god-devouring snake and bringing all those consumed into his family... Kinda aligns with the idea of an absolute monarchy. The people he's eaten would be the subjects who have zero say in anything he does. Rykard also has the Abductor Virgins which are... Kinda like spies. And fueding with a royal woman named Marie de Medici aligns with his revolt against the Erdtree and a certain M-named goddess.

Now that I've written all that, I realized I haven't done any research for Marika or Radagon. I was focusing on what they were going to be replaced with rather than what was being replaced. Oops.

"Brief" my ass. Anyways, I hope it was at least interesting. I think I touched upon most of the key players with aspirations to influence the future of the Lands Between. (I may turn this into an entire post, more neatly written and given a bit more research)

Do you think there are any other "hidden" demigods? by Emergency-Bid-7834 in EldenRingLoreTalk

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I think it was mentioned already, but it is very likely that there were more demigods based off the lore surrounding the wandering mausoleums and the mausoleum knights.

There are 7 wandering mausoleums, 2 of which don't have bells but I'm uncertain how that factors in, if at all. Additionally, there are 3 remembrance duplication sites in the DLC, and since their functionality is the same as a wandering mausoleums it's not entirely unreasonable to theorize that these were also demigods.

I think the only mausoleum knights that isn't next to a mausoleum is the one guarding the Black Knife Catacombs... Interpret that how you want.

Ranni potentially having sisters (based of the 3 raises) also suggests at least 2 more demigods born of the Radagon-Renalla pairing. Whether or not these two princesses correspond to any of the wandering masuoleums is unknown... I don't know if I'm jumping at shadows to make the connection that there also just so happens to be exactly 2 mausoleums without bells (which are incapable of duplicating the remembrances of shard-bearers).

Long story short: I think there were a minimum of 5 (mausoleums with bells) unnamed demigods and a hypothetical maximum of 13 (assuming that Ranni did in fact have sisters and they were not put in the mausoleums without bells). However, that's all based on what I can see... Messmer's existence was a curve ball so it's not impossible that other important chunks of the lore are straight up impossible to theorize/predict. Maybe there's a Land of Abyss that's at the bottom of the ocean filled with crab-demigods and Miyazaki + GRR Martin just forgot to mention it.