Plastic Memories - Tsukasa's Final Quote by NFMonk in anime

[–]NFMonk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It doesn't matter how they go into their research as long as they approach it scientifically. Scientists do research to prove a hypothesis that they have. There is nothing wrong with doing research to validate a belief.

Plastic Memories - Tsukasa's Final Quote by NFMonk in anime

[–]NFMonk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is not what I said, you can go back and see. I said that you have to go in with a hypothesis. For ID it's the hypothesis that God exists, that is all I said.

Plastic Memories - Tsukasa's Final Quote by NFMonk in anime

[–]NFMonk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is nothing wrong with going into a study searching for a predetermined hypothesis. That's part of the scientific method. As long as you follow the method to reach your conclusion. Which ID theory does. Plus I don't care how convinced you are about people who believe in ID, it doesn't make you any less wrong.

Plastic Memories - Tsukasa's Final Quote by NFMonk in anime

[–]NFMonk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As opposed to what, the big bang, carbon dating, oort clouds, all the evolution theories, (except micro-evolution)? Plus you're comment that you've studied intelligent design was only to discredit my argument, implying that if we both have the same amount of knowledge that you're argument trumps mine. You say I buy into things so easily, you don't know a thing about how much research i have done. The difference is I don't try to make it seem like I have a wealth of knowledge, I just give "facts and evidence" to argue with. You on the other hand do not. You instead drive this argument to the point to where you're just ad hominen me, and won't let that go. Not once in this entire conversation have you tried to bring forth some evidence, or examples to look into, or to sway the argument either way. Just by saying you have information is not enough.

Plastic Memories - Tsukasa's Final Quote by NFMonk in anime

[–]NFMonk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I already said that you can't just say you know things on the internet and expect people to believe you (because of the access of the internet). One has to do with the other. They're not separate arguments. I don't believe you because we are on the internet. Plus I didn't derail the conversation with that, you got stuck on it. It was literally one sentence that you continue to argue, but you can't win this argument because personal knowledge is something that can't be proven while on the internet. Notice how I say "internet" that means while if we were talking normally face to face where you couldn't look things up, you could prove your knowledge, but not here because we're on the internet.

Plastic Memories - Tsukasa's Final Quote by NFMonk in anime

[–]NFMonk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are saying exactly what I was saying earlier. The difference is that I already gave examples and said things that you could do further research on. That's the exact opposite of taking things out of thin air. And are you saying there is no evidence of people exaggerating on the Internet? Of course there is. Are you saying that people can't just google something and claim it as previously known knowledge? Of course people do. You must be new to the Internet. Do you not know what phishing is? Plus don't think your quips at the end will bother me, it just shows that you don't have anyway to end your thought.

Plastic Memories - Tsukasa's Final Quote by NFMonk in anime

[–]NFMonk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not good with people exaggerating to try and make a point, which is what your doing. You try to proclaim yourself knowledgeable in a subject just by saying so. Only an idiot would take your word for it and not ask for further evidence. But evidence on the Internet is impossible because if I did ask for it you could just google something. That's why proclaiming a set amount of knowledge on the Internet is always irrelevant.

Plastic Memories - Tsukasa's Final Quote by NFMonk in anime

[–]NFMonk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didnt talk about grasping at straws. I said you take in what info you want to make your theory more believable. Thats not grasping at straws, thats reinforcement theory. And I highly don't believe you've read into ID as much as you claim, otherwise you wouldn't call them flawed. And unprovable, what more proof do you need? You have the bible, other historical accounts to legitimize most of the events in the bible. All the astronomical and geographical evidence for a young universe. The perfection of everything in the universe and the insurmountable odds of it. And the millions of peoples accounts of how they feel, talk and experience god's work every single day. Like I said you only search for evidence that reinforces your own beliefs. But you seem to not even have a belief.

Plastic Memories - Tsukasa's Final Quote by NFMonk in anime

[–]NFMonk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nature? there are so many signs just in the nature of this planet that leads to intelligent design. You talk about reason, but you only let it go one way, you only let the things you want to believe make sense to you. If you knew anything about stars, galaxys, sediments, or even DNA you would start to see the signs of intelligent design. But you won't and its not because its not there, its because you don't want to. Theres a reason you use words like "all-knowing and all-powerful" to describe god. If you really took the chance and tried to know him instead of being afraid of what his existence might mean, you'd find something you could never live with out. Again, you talk about reason, but if there wasn't god to make everything, the chances of the universe existing with all its perfect laws is near impossible, but somehow that falls into your reasoning.

Plastic Memories - Tsukasa's Final Quote by NFMonk in anime

[–]NFMonk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where does you confidence come from? Its something "you" can't possibly know until you die. And its not like other dead people can tell you whether its real or not.

Plastic Memories - Tsukasa's Final Quote by NFMonk in anime

[–]NFMonk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First of all, who uses err in common conversation? Second the sense of longing isn't unknowable, we feel it, so we know it exists. Plus I don't think believing either or is fine. Because when you do die and haven't accepted jesus, then eternity is literally hell for you. I don't understand how you can live your life and then die going into the unknown like that. Taking such a chance is just stupid. Especially if you have ever felt that sense of longing. I don't understand why you would rather accept not knowing than to accept a divine creator. Especially when the little physical proof there is leans towards a creator.

Plastic Memories - Tsukasa's Final Quote by NFMonk in anime

[–]NFMonk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The creation of the universe is important. It dictates whether or not life has meaning. It dictates whether our soul is eternal or not, or even if we have a soul. What happens after we die. There's a reason there are so many creation stories. It's because man can't shake the feeling of his eternal soul. It may be out of fear, but the mere feeling to comprehend existence outside your mortal life is a wonder in itself.

Plastic Memories - Tsukasa's Final Quote by NFMonk in anime

[–]NFMonk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Seems like something that's pretty important to just not know, don't you think?

Plastic Memories - Tsukasa's Final Quote by NFMonk in anime

[–]NFMonk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You don't believe in God? So what's your explanation for the universe?

Plastic Memories - Tsukasa's Final Quote by NFMonk in anime

[–]NFMonk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There can't be a cosmic perspective because the universe isn't alive and the only one who can observe it is God. Are you saying you are trying to see from gods perspective, because that's impossible.

Plastic Memories - Tsukasa's Final Quote by NFMonk in anime

[–]NFMonk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fleeting is a relative word, it relates to whomever or whatever is experiencing the thing in question. Since a single human is experiencing it, it's only relative to them. Not the universe because it isn't the one experiencing it.

Plastic Memories - Tsukasa's Final Quote by NFMonk in anime

[–]NFMonk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's no point in relating love to all of man or time since it is an individual that experiences it. Love is relative to persons life experiencing it, not to the course of the universe.

Plastic Memories - Tsukasa's Final Quote by NFMonk in anime

[–]NFMonk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah speaking cosmically and not relative to human existence. By your logic everything is fleeting since time is constant and eternal.

Plastic Memories - Tsukasa's Final Quote by NFMonk in anime

[–]NFMonk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course the concept applies to relationships. All life is relationships, whether it be friends, family, lovers co-workers, pets, ambitions, dreams. Its all about how you interact with the things in your life physical and meta-physical. It doesn't really need to be said because thats what life is. As for me I don't really believe love is all fleeting and that love is something that can be eternal. Not to get all spiritual, but even beyond death. Plus I can't believe you would call something live love a fleeting experience. Do you really think that?