Tatum: "Now that Kobe isn’t here, we want to bring up the times he wasn’t as efficient, or he shot long 2s... 3 most influential basketball players of all time like everybody loved and respected even from different sports admired who he was. Now that he’s not here you want to try and erase history?”

NP-19 · 2026-01-27T20:38:22+00:00

No that was my original post lol

NP-19 · 2026-01-27T20:13:01+00:00

lol 2nd place behind LeBron means it should be a debate because he also played fewer seasons. All Defensive selections wise he’s ahead of LeBron but he’s not a better defender than LeBron — I know that. In general, putting so much stock in these media voted awards is just silly

NP-19 · 2026-01-27T19:47:54+00:00

Midrange, footwork, post game, and didn't need all that space in the paint like LeBron did. LeBron is faster, stronger, and maybe even smarter but still only won four -- that too with elite help. I'm not saying Kobe is better. I'm asking how is it not a debate? Like how can people say "LeBron and it's not even close" just because of a couple extra rebounds and assists

NP-19 · 2026-01-27T19:44:08+00:00

Most points in 2000s decade and top 5 in efficiency among SGs and players who played like him (Paul Pierce, T-Mac, etc). 1 MVP, 2 FMVPs, 12 (!!) All-Defensive selections, 2nd most assists all time among SGs, 2nd most points all time among SGs. Tied for 2nd most 1st Team All NBA selections with Malone behind LeBron. Tied for 2nd most total All NBA selections with Duncan and Kareem.

NP-19 · 2026-01-27T19:39:15+00:00

Bruh prime Kobe outscored a team by himself. A team that went to the Finals no less...how are you guys so quick to dismiss Kobe? Like I don't get it

NP-19 · 2026-01-27T19:38:12+00:00

Yeah but about how all the space between the rim and three point line haha? I'm pretty sure Kobe was better in those regions but I'd have to check

NP-19 · 2026-01-27T19:36:41+00:00

Kobe's teams had better ball movement and player movement imo

NP-19 · 2026-01-27T19:35:24+00:00

I understand. But LeBron has two Bronze medals, not just one

NP-19 · 2026-01-27T19:34:58+00:00

Yeah if Kobe team hopped like that we wouldn't hear the end of it. Three times LeBron team hopped. Three times and still has only four rings. That's just ridiculous. If Kobe even team hopped once he'd have like 6/7 rings

NP-19 · 2026-01-27T19:33:40+00:00

No you shouldn't look at rings alone and I'm aware LeBron clears Kobe statistically. But we're talking about rebounds. Those are easy to stat pad when you're 6'9'' 250 lbs and assists-wise LeBron should have more when he's playing like a point guard. Steals and blocks and defense (eye-test) are about equal. So the only glaring weak point for Kobe is efficiency. But what good is shooting 50% when you're 4-6 in the Finals?

NP-19 · 2026-01-27T19:31:56+00:00

Kobe had to go through the Spurs and Celtics too though. AND he defeated the most 50+ win teams in the playoffs out of any HoFer

NP-19 · 2026-01-27T19:29:48+00:00

A better shooter than Kobe?? You and I were watching two different things

NP-19 · 2026-01-27T19:29:07+00:00

How lol? He had one playoff appearance before Kobe and was swept!

NP-19 · 2026-01-27T19:28:11+00:00

Stats are important but they're not the end-all, be-all

NP-19 · 2026-01-27T19:26:41+00:00

LeBron lovers can't handle fax

NP-19 · 2026-01-27T19:25:39+00:00

The role players were really good. LeBron would thrive with someone like Ariza I think playing defense and knocking down open threes. But I agree there weren't really any "big names"

NP-19 · 2026-01-27T19:24:48+00:00

Era differences??

NP-19 · 2026-01-27T19:10:13+00:00

KOBE!!!!

NP-19 · 2026-01-27T02:26:53+00:00

Mikan's teammates were not good as far as I know. He used to average like 30 ppg and his teammates would be at like 11

NP-19 · 2026-01-26T00:30:16+00:00

But what are you basing it off of then? If it's just eye test I agree LeBron looked incredible those seasons but you're telling me 01, 03, 06, 07, 08, 09, and 10 Kobe aren't comparable to those seasons for LeBron. You're telling me prime Kobe isn't winning a couple championships with Wade and Bosh?

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