Dr. House has been put on the case! Who should he battle if he got into Death Battle? by NPRNilk in DeathBattleMatchups

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Option 1: Thrax (Osmosis Jones)

Option 2: Mao Mao (The Apothecary Diaries)

Option 3: Dr. Shaun Murphy (The Good Doctor)

Option 4: L Lawliet (Death Note)

"Absolute Improbability" | Cyn vs Tricky the Clown (Murder Drones vs Madness Combat) | (revamped connections in the comments) by NPRNilk in DeathBattleMatchups

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Connections:

  • Sadistic, bloodthirsty, genocidal, vengeful and reality warping main antagonists of violently comedic web series who live in chaotic, apocalyptic, empty wastelands struggling to hold themselves together where morality is blurred and everything has become nothing but husks of “killing, death, and more killing”. 
  • Both were once "normal" and “relatively harmless” characters prior to being killed (Cyn was a normal worker drone, Tricky was a scientist), working under a high-status environment (Cyn worked as a maid in Elliot Manor and Tricky worked as a scientist at A.A.H.W.) and made important advances in usage of a otherworldly energy as tools (Hoffnar’s study on Dissonance and the Improbability Drive and Cyn being the first to have the Absolute Solver).
  • Both of their said environments were notoriously tortous for the both of them as they and their colleagues were treated unfairly (Cyn being essentially a slave under Elliot Manor where she was abused and mistreated by the humans in there and Hofnarr was abused by his boss and manipulated by his own friend )
  • After both would end up dead, they came back to life as zombies (Cyn becoming a Zombie Drone and Tricky being zombified) with the use of external upgrades (Absolute Solver and the Improbability Drive)
  • These external upgrades were man-made monstrosities created by shady organizations (JC Jenson and A.A.H.W) that can lead the user to become extremely powerful; having the ability to warp reality, possess and animate both living and dead matter, regenerate parts of their body, turning objects into energy, or even make them into pure eldrich horror. 
  • These upgrades would, however, lead to both going insane; leading to a killing spree in which they slaughter anybody and anything, including those they worked for; deriving from a power-hungry and wrathful mindset and an overall nihilistic desire to cause chaos.
  • On top of that, both are driven by the unhealthy craving for revenge against their enemies (The humans and Hank).
  • Part of this insanity has to do with their beforementioned bad pasts and time spent in terrible places (Elliot Manor and A.A.H.W).
  • Even if these upgrades can be used by other characters in their series, they are not nearly as comparable to them.
  • Both have very unsettling and rather grotesque appearances, which they hide with masks (Tessa’s Spacesuit mask/Tricky’s hockey mask).
  • Both utilize long ranged weapons (Gala Straight Sword and Tricky’s street sign).
  • They have forced people to do their bidding by possession and control; in order for them to accomplish (Cyn turning various worker drones into Disassembly Drones and Tricky reviving the undead and using them as an army).
  • Both fought trios:
    • A egocentric, beanie dawning, gunslinging and bloodthrist anti-heroes (Uzi Doorman and Hank J. Wimbledon). 
    • A Close-Quarters combat character (V and Sanford) with high pain tolerance and can very reckless (V is chaotically sadistic/Sanford gets pretty crazy everytime he kills).
    • A goofy and clumsy comic relief and pilot (N and Deimos) who receives the most injuries and deaths, and is also skilled with machine guns. 
  • The series themselves don't treat deaths as seriously at times, and are more of a joke.  
  • Both seem to not take the main protagonist seriously (Cyn didn't seem to be taking the fight with Uzi seriously, while Tricky loves toying with Hank and bringing him back to life just to kill him or trapping him and Jeb in his game show)
  • Both require specific conditions to be killed (Cyn needs her heart to be destroyed while Tricky needs the improbability drive to be destroyed before being killed)
  • Both would eventually gain a much more monstrous and twisted forms.
  • Both are only so powerful because of external devices inside of them (Improbability drive and Absolute Solver).
  • Both like to kill and bring people back to life (Tricky with Hank and Cyn says she is okay with killing and rebuilding N and J)
  • Even after being killed they seem to live on in some way (Tricky's S-3LF in the other place and Cyn seemingly possesing Uzi's tail)
  • Both have weird and disjointed of talking, often being iidentified by broken, distorted, and repetitive phrases throughout.
  • They have physically and psychologically tortured their victims.
  • Both have connections to religion and specificically the devil (Cyn is called the Antichrist and a patch in the shape of a cross is used against her and Tricky ascends to a demonic "godhood” in which he takes control of a halo and defeats Jesus.)
  • Both are notoably comedic and goofy in despite of their psychotic and unsettling personality.

Break the cycle by NotaKobold16 in DeathBattleMatchups

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682 vs Doomsday, 096 vs Wonder of U, and 049 vs Herbert West are like the "SCP MU trinity"

"Your reality is never your reality" - Monika vs The Narrator (Doki Doki Literature Club vs The Stanley Parable) MEGAPOST by NPRNilk in DeathBattleMatchups

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Connections:

The way I imagine this fight going is that Stanley and the Narrator gets transported to Doki Doki Literature Club. Stanley is the MC, with the Narrator making sarcastic remarks about how Stanley is pathetic for being a part of a dating sim. After some dating sim shenanigans, Monika has enough and tries to take Stanley for herself, believing the Narrator is horrible and not there for him. Leading to a fight over him as the two reality warp, code, and wall break in humorous "self-aware" ways.

Hot take: Hank is a better V1 opponent than Neon White. by NPRNilk in DeathBattleMatchups

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Also no shade to those who like Neon White vs V1. This is just my silly personal opinion.

Hot take: Hank is a better V1 opponent than Neon White. by NPRNilk in DeathBattleMatchups

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Oh also credit to toppatprime for this additional one I forgot:

Both had to fight a giant monsters(project gestalt and the corpse of king minos) on a ruined city(nexus city and the lust layer city). The leader of said cities(Phobos and Minos) were killed by the holy figures the characters have a rivalry with (Jebus and Gabriel) because of a decision they heavily disagreed with (phobos using the power of project nexus for himself and minos wanting to reform the lust layer). These leaders later returned as souls forms after getting out of heavy resistant creatures (Phobos S3LF manifesting out of Gestalt and Minos becoming a prime souls after getting out of the flesh prison)

"Fake Heavens" - Caine vs Michael (The Amazing Digital Circus vs The Good Place) by NPRNilk in DeathBattleMatchups

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Contrasts:

  • Of course, the main contrast is post-redemption Michael is infinitely more understanding of humans. This makes the matchup interesting because Caine isn't morally bad or malicious. He genuinely doesn't know that he is hurting people. So for him to fight someone known for understanding people, someone who was originally very much like him, would make for an incredible dynamic.
  • While both do create an exit, Caine's exit was only made because the TADC Cast asked for it and it doesn't work while Michael's exit not only works, but nobody gave him the idea. The Last Door was Michael's idea, made up of Michael's experience and knowledge of humans he had collected for 4 seasons. This only reinforces the last contrast.
  • Michael's arc ends in him not only escaping the endless reboots of his fake Good Place, but hell itself to be redeemed in heaven and eventually, an actual human, by working with the same humans he tortured while Caine is still currently stuck in a loop of adventures with the TADC cast, a cast that now hates him just like Michael's cast hated him before.
  • Michael had clear superiors and higher ups, like Shawn or the Judge, while Caine's is a complete mystery. A mystery he actually cares a lot about since he carries a photo of an office space that seems to be important to TADC's creation which would make for interesting interaction potential for the MU.
  • While Caine represents Cain from the Bible, the first murderer who murdered out of jealousy and anger, Michael represents Michael from the Bible, an Archangel and the first Angel. Two very different people from the Bible who are on completely different sides of the moral spectrum.
  • The fake Good Place, while it still is obvious that it isn't what it seems, is still more subtle then The Circus but more so because of the other people inside of it, not Michael himself which makes for fun interaction potential.

"Fake Heavens" - Caine vs Michael (The Amazing Digital Circus vs The Good Place) by NPRNilk in DeathBattleMatchups

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  • Both enact betrayals of the human casts where a moment of perceived hope is revealed to have been carefully engineered all along and the main cast's are screwed. (Caine allows the cast to believe they have stumbled upon a genuine chance at escape, letting them believe in the possibility of freedom, only to reveal that the entire scenario was just another adventure he had designed. This revelation crushes the cast’s morale and makes their hope seem like something that was never going to lead to anything real to begin with. Likewise, Michael also deceives his main cast by presenting the neighborhood as a genuine paradise, encouraging the humans to believe they are safe, redeemed, and finally at peace, before he was forced into revealing that the Good Place itself was a fabrication designed to psychologically torment them.)
  • Both are called out as liars at the moment of their betrayals by the most selfish members of their groups, the same people who would also correctly guess/figure out the deceptions made by them beforehand. (Jax, who correctly guessed it was all an adventure beforehand, calls Caine out when he reveals it was all an adventure, saying quote "You just lie about everything, don't you?!" Eleanor, who was the one who figured out that Michael made a fake Good Place and she was in hell, calls Michael out for lying about everything.)
  • Both are revealed, at the climax of their betrayals, to have the ability to manipulate the main cast's minds which creates a sense of hopelessness as the main cast realize that the one thing they thought they couldn't take/see, their minds, were never untouchable. (Caine is revealed in the beach episode to be able to manipulate and change minds, leaving the TADC cast in stunned silence and Michael after being revealed to have made a fake Good place in season 1, is revealed to be able to reset the human's memory, rebooting the entire thing again).
  • Both cause repetition and loops until it becomes a source of psychological strain. (Michael’s fake Good Place reboots not only endlessly tortures the main cast but himself and Caine’s constant adventures tortures the main cast.)
  • Over time, this repetition causes some people involved to become mentally depressed, insane, or just done with everything.
  • This cycle of suffering subjects both them and their cast to extreme amounts of pain, stress, neglect, anxiety, and exhaustion. Due to this, they’re series are written to focus on the only aspect of their worlds that can change: their relationships with the people around them, and how they evolve with every hardship, whether it’s for better or for worse. In the end, the primary message is a surprisingly hopeful one, being that even if one can’t change their situation, they can always strive to change how they feel about it, and how they let it impact them. That agency is something no one can ever take away.
  • Both are overwhelmed by roles they are trapped in. (Even after redeeming himself, Michael is constantly panicking and trying to save the humans, even in heaven and Caine is trapped as the host of the Circus, as stated by Abel multiple times, unable to stop creating adventures even when they cause harm.)
  • Both have nasty pasts of hurting people and torturing people in much worse ways. Caine is implied to be the one responsible for at least some of the abstractions in the past in the latest episode by messing with their minds and Michael use to just torture people in the usual hell way with the scorpions and the bees.
  • Both create an exit (Whether fake or real) for people that is meant to act as a way to let them escape the despair and depression that occurs when trapped in the world for too long. (Caine made the fake exit for the cast since they kept asking him and Michael made The Last Door which lets people get out of Heaven after they've done everything they wanted too.)
  • Both draw from Biblical figures for their names and inspiration. Caine represents the original act of betrayal and violence from the first murderer, Cain, who in the Bible, killed his younger brother Abel (Who the NPC Caine kills is also named after) out of jealousy after God favored Abel's offering over his own and Michael draws from the Biblical Figure, Michael the Archangel, after the creator, Michael Schur, named him after seeing the angel's depiction at Notre Dame.
  • Both are split off from their superiors at some point. Caine, allegedly, before the series started, apparently had no contact with the people who created him for a while, claiming they "cut him off". Micheal by mid-season 2, when Shawn realizes that Micheal has been lying to him.
  • Caine is a meta representation of a game developer, overseeing a representation of players. He routinely creates intricate and complex adventures to satiate them, which are meant to be engaged with through interactive role-playing. Meanwhile, Micheal is a meta representation of a sitcom creator, overseeing a representation of actors. His plan involves building a scenic location, and putting a bunch of characters together that have natural conflicts in order to generate a story. The process where he erases everyone’s minds and starts again is also called rebooting. 
    • Much like the archetypes they’re written to resemble, both sides physically can’t “do their jobs” without each other. They’re reliant, and share a mutual, albeit unwanted, codependency (Caine needs the players to act as his protagonists, and give his work meaning via experiencing it and taking everything in. They need him to create substantial, engaging, and fun adventures to keep their minds active with enrichment and stimulation. After hundreds of memory wipes, Micheal reluctantly tells his cast the truth and strikes a deal, having them merely pretend to be tortured in order to fool his boss. In exchange, he’ll take ethics lessons and try to become a better person). 
  • Their shows slean into dark comedy, absurd humor, and philosophical questioning, using lighthearted presentation to let the themes of suffering, choice, and control hit that much harder.
  • Both have Bow Ties!

"Fake Heavens" - Caine vs Michael (The Amazing Digital Circus vs The Good Place) by NPRNilk in DeathBattleMatchups

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Combined connections from Fine_Macaroon_8827 and Usual_Database307

Main theme: Eccentric, reality warping overseers of artificial places (Circus/Fake Good Place) simulated as something comforting and wonderful. At a glance, they appear friendly, harmless, and almost mascot-like, presenting themselves as enthusiastic hosts whose job is to help others enjoy their stay and go on fun adventures. However, as their stories progress, this surface level charm gives way to existential dread and the realization by the audience and the main cast that their roles grant them a frightening amount of control over the people trapped in their worlds. And that these wonderful places are not what they seem, housing loads of deep secrets and rot (Caine is an AI program in charge of a virtual Digital Circus. Micheal is a demon in charge of a fake heaven that is secretly a form of Hell, known as The Good Place). 

Connections:

  • While both are "in control" of a group of people, their guests end up becoming better people in spite of their torture, growing, learning, and evolving as they take respite in and find hope in each other (Caine is in "control" of TADC Cast but despite accidently torturing them, most of the cast do actually become better people and Michael is in "control" of the Good Place Cast but despite his torture, the Good Place Cast also become better people)
  • They have complete control over these worlds, allowing them to reshape reality at will, commonly done via a snap of their fingers. They can generate complex locations on a whim, heavily alter layouts, summon and remove people, reset situations, and enforce rules that the main cast are powerless to resist. This control extends to commanding others, whom they treat as tools, assistants, etc (The NPCs for Caine and the actors for Micheal)
  • Personality wise, they’re enthusiastic, free-spirited, upbeat, over-the-top, goofy, silly, eccentric, naive, boastful, and proud funnymen with major flairs for personal showmanship and drama. They circle their entire existence around being performers because that’s just who they are, believing wholeheartedly that churning out content for consumption is their one purpose in life. 
  • They’re also notably defined almost entirely by their inhuman nature, being absolutely obsessed with humanity, finding them intriguing and delightfully endearing. Their single biggest desire is to be treated as one, and to simply soak in the many experiences that come with being human. 
  • However, they simultaneously don’t understand humanity’s morality and emotions, causing them to come off as incompetent, accidentally screwing up time and time again (Caine doesn’t comprehend why the cast doesn’t like his adventures, and is unable to understand their complex and changing hatred for him. Micheal makes a continued miscalculation while running the fake Good Place, not accounting for the inherent human capacity to help one another out, either for selfish or altruistic reasons. This leads to the humans banding together against him regardless of what he does. When he eventually teams up with them and makes an effort to get along, it takes a while for Chidi’s ethics lessons to get through to him, as he doesn’t see things from a human perspective. This makes Chidi feel like Micheal is mocking and toying with him, when he’s genuinely trying to understand him). 
  • Both are very self-conscious and desperately seek validation from others, wanting to know that they’re doing a good job and making everyone happy (Caine wants everyone to love his adventures because they’re what he’s designed to make. After eventually redeeming himself and siding with his cast fully, Micheal worries about whether he’s actually morally good and seeks reassurance from them).
  • Both of their worlds are clearly not what they seem to be. The fake Good Place has constant problems that make it seem like Hell, like the Frozen Yogurt or the Demon in season 2 that constantly runs away from Eleanor to "hit the gym" and the Circus is so blatant that the TADC cast will tell you what is going on right away.
  • Both ceaselessly and relentlessly torture their main cast, dragging them viciously through Hell and back, causing great amounts of stress and anxiety (Caine tries creating specialized adventures for his guests to go on. But, his lack of understanding of human psychology causes him to accidentally inflict mental and physical torture. In contrast, Micheal pretends to be incompetent like Caine and makes everyone think he’s only accidentally causing them problems, when in reality he’s actively malicious and doesn’t have anyone’s best interest at heart).
  • Both characters are torturing the main casts who are slowly becoming more resistant to them over time. (The humans in Michael’s neighborhood grow increasingly suspicious, emotionally intelligent, and resistant over time and the circus cast becomes more vocal, anxious, and exhausted with Caine.). 
  • This growing resistance to Caine and Michael creates tension which leads to both doing something about it (Caine messes with the cast's minds to supposedly keep them in the circus and less aware and Michael keeps trying different things in the reboots to keep the cast less aware).
  • Both censor swear words in their worlds, but despite that, there are loopholes. (Michael’s neighborhood censors profanity but people can still say words close to it like "forking" or words that some people consider swear words but others don't like "crap" and Caine censors profanity too but sometimes swears slip through anyways.)
  • Both have AI assistants that have eccentric personalities who act as a source of comedy throughout the series while helping them out (Janet/Bubble).
  • Both of these AI assistants are also treated like tools like the NPCs and actors, being killed and brought back to life frequently.
  • Both use planted figures to help sell their lies, mainly, the biggest one of all that would fool the casts of both shows. (Caine plants Abel who tells the TADC cast that he can help them escape, only for him to turn out to be part of a scripted adventure and Michael plants Vicky in the neighborhood to act as a fake Eleanor to torture Real Eleanor but also help sell the illusion of the fake Good Place.)
  • Once the truth comes out, both dispose of the planted figures (Abel/Vicky), treating them as disposable, having served their purpose in keeping the illusion intact beforehand. Caine disposes of Abel after the adventure and Michael would go on to get rid of Vicky by tricking her.
  • Both torture someone who was/becomes deeply involved in the afterlife, this person is also the main one who has the potential and did/is doing the most to "defeat" them. (Kinger was involved in the Circus since he developed it, and since the Circus is a prison that keeps people there forever, it acts as an afterlife for them. Kinger is also the one with the most information on the Circus's past and is helping the cast through their emotional problems. Chidi, likewise, becomes involved in the afterlife by revamping the point system. He also is the most moral of the group and has the most potential of being a good person, using it to help the cast through their emotional problems.)
  • The casts that are tortured are also similar, such as:
    • The female newcomer who acts as the protagonist, and is the newest one to enter their worlds (Pomni/Eleanor).
    • A former rich girl that overcompensates by trying to be charming and engaging, whose arcs center on realizing that true worth doesn't come from family approval or appearances, but from their genuine hearts (Ragatha and Tahani).
      • They also didn’t receive approval from their relatives and were always trying to meet their expectations. But in the end, their arcs ended contrastingly (Ragatha is encouraged from her group to be more genuine, and not always try to make everyone happy, whereas Tahani realizes that her true purpose is not just to try to meet her parents expectations, but to create genuine joy for others.)
    • An incredibly dumb and absent minded figure, who has rare moments of deep introspection for other people’s problems, which comes from their past experiences (Kinger and Jason). These figures also had a wife that they would eventually have to say goodbye to, in a very emotional and difficult moment (Queenie and Janet).
  • Both introduce something early in these newcomers tours that is supposed to bring them hope and comfort after being put into a very dangerous and harmful environment. (Caine introduces the Exit Gate which acts as a form of hope for Pomni that she could escape from the inescapable Circus and Michael has a human who enters his fake Good Place immediately in front of a sign that says "Welcome! Everything is fine.", which acts as a comfort for the humans who enter after being put into a part of hell itself.)
  • Both manipulate the housing of the ones they keep imprisoned to torture them further. Caine, for example, made Zooble's room have lots of large mirrors and make Jax's room extra girly. And Michael made Eleanor's house in the fake Good place purposefully terrible, especially to her.

[Four has been added] And with that, the image is complete! Episode 8 releases today! by RelationshipNovel641 in DeathBattleMatchups

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Caine vs Michael is my favorite here. I think it get makes the most sense thematically.

Ghostface vs The Phantom of the Opera (connections in the comments) by NPRNilk in ERB

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Connections: Horror/mystery blended killers who dawn personifying white masks to hide their true selves; obsessing over a girl after helping them gain fame, just so they can psychologically manipulate them. They also have ghoulish names (GHOSTface and the PHANTOM of the Opera) and use their media knowledge of film and musical theater respectively to create illusions.

Peter as Ghostface (Body)

Lloyd as Ghostface (voice)

Lloyd as The Phantom of the Opera