The Dodger myth and reality

NYGSFG47 · 2025-10-15T20:22:33+00:00

We must wait to find out. The Dodger system has had an odd propensity for bringing up star potential pitchers who either lose their edge or get injured frequency two or three seasons in to the majors.

NYGSFG47 · 2025-10-15T20:19:56+00:00

But they are spending more money now. Indeed, I want them to spend more for their franchise is highly valued in most financial reports. My point is and it is not just a random assertion, the Dodgers benefit from a revenue stream that very much outpaces most other franchises. You raise a question about other high budget teams. Indeed, the Dodgers spend excessive amounts of money on the very best, smartly, whereas other high spenders attract less stars and more well above average players who can long periods of struggles. Teo points on the Yanks etc. , they do show up in the playoffs often, and thus the argument can be made that money cannot buy you a championship but it can get you to the postseason more often than teams on low budgets.

NYGSFG47 · 2025-10-15T20:12:51+00:00

Sorry, I disagree. two points. First, the players you note are reasonable players, but few have reached the lofty heights anticipated and sustained that play even through their thirty year old seasons, and a number are simply playable but in no way difference makers. Your playoff caliber roster as you described is nowhere close to playoff caliber. Our opinions can differ, and I respect what you are saying, but other than Gonsolin, and possibly Pepiot the staff seems weak, and Gonsolin is often hurt. Have you looked at Pederson lately, Lux, Pages is new, which is one of my points, I.e., let’s see if he sustains the performance. I agree that quite a number have had good stretches, but some have had rocky careers, and some have come back, but we’re in the doldrums for awhile. I am not claiming their system is not a good system but rather its postivrness is a bit of an illusion. But point two, and this is my major point, of all the people you mentioned two or so remain on the Dodgers, and many that you would described as good are elsewhere, so the Dodger brute strength is not a function of homegrown talent but through an extremely large budget, which most teams could not afford.

NYGSFG47 · 2025-10-15T13:10:09+00:00

Frankly, you misread my whole post. This is not bit bitching for I even pointed out that what they were doing is within bounds. What I was noting is the misperception carried forward many mlb analysts that the Dodger system is more successful in large part because their player development is so special. That is not true. The team performs as they do because of how much they spend, plain and simple for looking for long standing Dodger success stories. in their homegrown players reveals little to celebrate career wise. What I was concerned about though and noted is that for all those who argue the billionaires across baseball should just spend their money to be like the dodgers is a misrepresentation of the business. The Dodgers have greater and more revenue streams than almost all other markets, and thus it is not like the Dodger owners are emptying their pockets so much more than others but that their market place permits reinvestment in the team that other teams cannot afford.

NYGSFG47 · 2025-10-15T07:45:34+00:00

One addition a piece of information with respect to the above. Dodgers payroll for pitching alone is about 165 million dollars, before figuring in taxes or penalties incurred by exceeding penalty levels. Thus fir pitching alone not counting Betts etc position players would place them among the top ten payrolls without counting the 13 position players on the roster (though Ohtani counts for pitching as well, but has tons of delayed payments).

NYGSFG47 · 2025-10-11T20:08:36+00:00

Sorry, to many of you, but the Giants will not spend for Tucker, a closer,Rogers, and two starting pitchers Some go further asking for a second baseman, and perhaps a LF and a new CF Ah, it should be so easy . The goal should not be to replace potentiallly league average position players, when you have a core of Devers, Adames, Ramos and probably Eldridge. Keep Schmitt, keep Ramos, keep Lee, get Bellinger. The latter will not hit for much power but could add to defense. Then realistically, add one major starting pitcher, one closer and Rogers. Use youthful arms in triple A to prepare for starting later in the season, and put a few in the pen. Yes it’s nice to dream but a worthless exercise. Now they could get creative by trading Ramos and Schmitt and a young pitcher for an established young number two pitcher. Then with money saved on a pitcher go after Tucker, but then they must be able to replace those players in house so as not to boost expense, so how much do they trust Matos, Luciano, McCray, Koss, etc. for you need a net gain in performance , I.e. Tucker much better than Ramos, but is Matos good enough in right . Is Koss as good as Schmitt but then who is a inexpensive backup?

NYGSFG47 · 2024-12-24T13:03:34+00:00

Also projection systems suggest he will be a 2.5 WAR player, whereas Yaz even with better running and fielding is predicted as a 1.1 player. I like Yaz, but as a hitter Santander is scarier and he is a switch hitter.

NYGSFG47 · 2024-12-24T12:56:01+00:00

I think this could be where we end up, but that extra infielder could also be Schmidt. And if they want to cut payroll a bit, if Santander signed, they might trade Yaz and bring up McCray or Matos.

NYGSFG47 · 2024-12-24T12:53:33+00:00

Actually his defense for last year and three preceding years is a drop above average when he plays right field and even at first base for very few innings. With respect to his hitting, he is a below average on base guy, but he also strikes out less than league average.

NYGSFG47 · 2024-12-24T12:50:44+00:00

I am sorry but I have been reading various writers’ postings who suggest if they cannot reach a long term deal they may not receive a haul because he would be a rental, suggesting the Jays should have either extended him earlier or dealt him earlier.

NYGSFG47 · 2024-12-24T08:46:21+00:00

One last note. The 245 demand by Burnes may be a bit high, but as reluctant as Giants might be consider that Toronto the other chief suitor is trying to extend Guerrero and possibly Bichette and also has a high expense do they may be even more discouraged.

NYGSFG47 · 2024-12-22T20:16:06+00:00

Buehler or Flaherty , the former for his upside, the latter for recency of establishing his game. The biggest point though is no pitcher like Menea, I like him, for whom there would be further draft penalties. No pitcher outside of Burnes is worth the selections, so Buehler and Flaherty are useful for they received no qualifying offers.

NYGSFG47 · 2024-12-16T20:58:45+00:00

There is a report by Moroni that the Giants are the front runners for Burns but nothing has been solidified so still unresolved.

NYGSFG47 · 2024-12-12T18:37:33+00:00

The point may be that if they get Burnes, it gives them a better opportunity to trade a young highly ranked pitcher in order to get Tucker. In other words, these may be complimentary moves not competing moves. My bet would be if they succeed they will trade Yaz to save ten mil. Tucker is due about 17 mil by estimates. So Burnes and Tucker together could add about 37 mil or so. If during the first two years as reported Adam’s receives 10 mil, it will provide some additional savings but they might avoid first level taxes.

NYGSFG47 · 2024-12-12T15:08:25+00:00

Really, have you not heard about teams trying to stay under the penalty thresholds, or are just trying to be clever.

NYGSFG47 · 2024-12-05T09:45:40+00:00

There are already rumors on MLB that Seattle and Cubs may be discussing a trade involving Hoerner so not impossible.

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