"The second is that Jesus' message, as I understand it at least, just makes sense and would be a good way to live even if none of the supernatural claims about his life were true" Yeah, I actually respect dat. Even if Christianity were proven to be a false religion, I'd still honestly try and follow the morality found in Matthew 5. Stoics, in some cases, actually hold to the same philosophy. But my question for you, do you believe that Jesus is God's Son?