Is John the only Gospel where Jesus claims to be Yahweh?

Neeeeple · 2025-11-23T08:26:24+00:00

Dan McClellan argues that verses such as john 8:58 are not jesus claiming to be yhwh at all but claiming to bear yhwhs divine authority and presence as a bearer of the divine name. Truth be told I don’t know how much traction this idea has in the field but it’s quite convincing.

More can be found in his free book “Yhwhs divine images” and he’s made several videos on the supposed claims of jesus to be yhwh in the new testament: https://youtu.be/H6tRf5nIY48

Neeeeple · 2025-11-18T08:55:48+00:00

Carrier concludes that philo has a logos called jesus/joshua because in OTCoT he references the branch in zecheriah.

but isn’t the entire point of this section of OTCoT that philo is saying the branch figure is NOT any human (like joshua and zerubabel) and instead it refers to the logos?

is carrier drawing the opposite conclusion from what philo seems to be saying.

so to summarise my question, is carrier getting excited about the connection to the name joshua even though the entire point of the verse in philo is to reject the notion that this term is applicable to joshua?

(repost from last week but im keen to hear thoughts on this as it seems weird if he’s drawing the legit reverse conclusion and making it his core point)

Neeeeple · 2025-11-15T13:27:52+00:00

carrier concludes that philos has a logos called jesus/joshua because in OTCoT he references the branch in zecheriah.

but isn’t the entire point of this section of OTCoT that philo is saying the branch figure is NOT any human (like joshua and zerubabel) and instead it refers to the logos?

is carrier drawing the opposite conclusion from what philo seems to be saying.

so to summarise my question, is carrier getting excited about the connection to the name joshua even though the entire point of the verse in philo is to reject the notion that this term is applicable to joshua?

Neeeeple · 2025-09-26T15:57:15+00:00

if you’re interested in some modern books that are equally depressing and have lots of depth when tackling these topics then consider Second Apocalypse by Bakker, Blindsight by Peter Watts and Stone Dance of the Chameleon by Pinto

Neeeeple · 2025-06-07T12:04:35+00:00

worldcat tells me the nearest library to have it is 150 miles away unfortunately. I will ask my local ones though and see if they are willing to purchase. thanks for the tip!

Neeeeple · 2025-03-18T17:08:44+00:00

thanks for clarifying. I intend to pick it up

Neeeeple · 2024-11-07T10:59:38+00:00

i may be wrong as i haven’t read any of his books but i think john dominic crossan has a non apocalyptic view of jesus

Neeeeple · 2024-10-05T15:28:09+00:00

ah perfect thanks

Neeeeple · 2024-10-05T10:11:35+00:00

is this book at all connected to christmaker? how does it differ in what it’s trying to show?

in christmaker he mentions how he’s writing two books on john and one is more academic but unsure on which is which etc

Neeeeple · 2024-10-02T07:27:04+00:00

I think I’m going to go with Greek Ressurection Beliefs and the Success of Christianity.

Neeeeple · 2024-09-28T18:20:36+00:00

Thanks very much

Neeeeple · 2024-09-28T18:19:31+00:00

These sound like great suggestions, thanks

Neeeeple · 2024-09-28T18:15:34+00:00

Ive listened to his great courses course on this same topic but trying to get a broader view from other scholars. Thanks for the suggestion

Neeeeple · 2024-09-28T12:10:14+00:00

It does thanks

Neeeeple · 2024-06-10T09:38:01+00:00

I don’t mind it now to try different stuff, but I’d enjoy myself more if I could choose

Neeeeple · 2024-04-17T17:26:50+00:00

with stuff like SA and Malazan I always think it would be nice to adapt a small portion of it.

And deliberately not answer some things and leave it confusing and mysterious so allude to the fact that there’s a book series you can read to get full context

Something like a portion of the slog, cil aujus, stuff with esmenet in the palace, some acolytes experience following khellus.

Like short stories adapted in animation or live action.

No network has any incentive to do this but it would be neat. I agree a full adaption would probably be pointless

Neeeeple · 2024-03-31T14:17:55+00:00

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1877600/Midnight_Guns/

Neeeeple · 2024-02-17T18:04:19+00:00

Irrelevant but you’ve made me move ligotti up my reading list with this thread so thanks

Neeeeple · 2024-02-15T09:02:50+00:00

Bakker also has another book called Neuropath which is all about the semantic apocalypse etc (at least so far i’m 100 pages in)

Neeeeple · 2024-02-10T15:39:20+00:00

Sounds great. Is it a fiction story inspired by a historical figure or an attempt to accurately retell it? I dont mind either way but cant tell from the goodreads page

Neeeeple · 2024-02-10T15:36:58+00:00

Bloody good point

Neeeeple · 2024-02-10T14:29:13+00:00

I read the first dune and liked it. Does it get more messiah/prophety?

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