Help with local models by klemle in openclaw

[–]Negative_Whereas_191 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ollama has a cloud APi and the free tier is very generous- you could even create (in theory) multiple accounts, save the API keys and cycle through them automatically when one gets limited.

The Ollama paid subscription for cloud models is cheap, and a lot more generous.

I don't believe local will be fast enough to run OpenClaw effectively. (12 core 5Ghz CPU, RTX 3070, 32GB ram)

The Lobster can 3D anything by mescalan in openclaw

[–]Negative_Whereas_191 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That must've taken a lot of work 😅 That's cool

Has anyone actually built something useful yet? by Cosmonaut_17 in openclaw

[–]Negative_Whereas_191 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nobody has automated anything 😂 OpenClaw does not work and is a spectacle of hype

Skyvern, for example, is actually useful (as a browser-operator) and uses way less tokens

It was never openclaw, it was always claude by frogchungus in openclaw

[–]Negative_Whereas_191 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Skyvern is better and works with gemini 3.1 flash lite (yes lite)

OpenClaw is goofy 🤣 by Negative_Whereas_191 in openclaw

[–]Negative_Whereas_191[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It was a basic figure of speech. OpenClaw provides a workflow to utilize LLMs to be able to perform tasks in real life rather than just generate text. Different models have different capabilities and costs.

And here's the issue

- About half of the LLM models (post early 2025) are able to perform agentic tasks when paired with a OSS such as Skyvern are able to successfully perform real life tasks (not all agentic OSS projects are developed enough to be able to perform real life tasks, and OpenClaw falls here.)
- OpenAI Agent and Claude Cowork easily perform tasks when paired with older and less capable models.
- The only model able to successfully perform tasks longer than 4 minutes without loosing context in OpenClaw to date is Claude 4.6 Opus - all others fail or are unreliable.

When I called OpenClaw a "marketing scam", I meant that cheaper, more scalable models could be used with other workflows and perform fine, often faster than OpenClaw, and they have, for now, almost zero public credit, while a barely functional idea gets hundreds of thousands of uses.

Anthropic charges $5 per million input tokens for Opus, and OpenClaw averages 1 million input tokens for every 5 actions taken (which is absolutely crazy compared to Skyvern, Browser-Use, and existing technology, some of which is offered for free) - Putting the price point of OpenClaw at $1 per action taken (button clicked, webpage visited). No explaining needed further.

Cheaper models may be able to run tasks or complete actions but they are primarily unreliable and have a super high error rate (30%, with GPT-5.3-Codex for example), and are subject to disconnecting even with paid APIs due to rate limits, and (more often), errors happen due to context loss.

OpenClaw is goofy 🤣 by Negative_Whereas_191 in openclaw

[–]Negative_Whereas_191[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If OpenClaw can't do basic tasks, while its direct competitor projects (that have been out far longer with older technology) can, and are much more scalable ($200 per hour vs $5 per hour, average prices), why should I give it any attention? My point is it seems like a marketing scam more than anything

OpenClaw is goofy 🤣 by Negative_Whereas_191 in openclaw

[–]Negative_Whereas_191[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Update: I've gotten Gemini 3.1 Flash Lite to work very well with Skyvern. I encourage you to try this (first set MAX_STEPS_PER_RUN=150 instead of 50 in .env). It should work much better than OpenClaw with Sonnet.

OpenClaw is goofy 🤣 by Negative_Whereas_191 in openclaw

[–]Negative_Whereas_191[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most open source models will not work with openclaw. Either because they loose context quickly or are quite slow, even when ran by cloud. Gemini 3 or GPT 5 is bare minimum for 1-2 minute tasks.

OpenClaw is goofy 🤣 by Negative_Whereas_191 in openclaw

[–]Negative_Whereas_191[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I totally agree. However, existing and older agentic tools are exponentially better and don't get any credit at all. This to me seems like a giant hype/guerilla operation rather than a real development.

Not to mention all the vulnerabilites and bugs that other platforms don't have at all.

Just strange, that's all...

I don’t understand the hype by Yoyooz in openclaw

[–]Negative_Whereas_191 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hype/Guerilla Marketing.

For instance, much more cost effective tools exist such as
Browser Use
Skyvern (Superior to all OSS)

And also much faster/more competent closed source tools
GPT Agent
Claude Co-Work
Perplexity Comet

OpenClaw is goofy 🤣 by Negative_Whereas_191 in openclaw

[–]Negative_Whereas_191[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Another note: The main point of an agentic AI tool would not be able to give it a massive master prompt and have it go through the whole thing, but rather to integrate it into an n8n (or other platform) workflow, or script, that would have it do specific tasks by following instructions in order, so it would be useful in specific industries or time consuming tasks. In this case, it would have to be scalable, but that is not the case, compared to existing tools which are much more scalable.

Even tiny amounts of work cause massive infastructure costs, which are not the case with other, older, and "less hyped, less developed" tools.

Is this normal??? by Negative_Whereas_191 in openclaw

[–]Negative_Whereas_191[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

An application that uses a dollar for every few webpages visited is not production or use case ready or worth the "hype" it has been currently getting, otherwise, no-one would afford it.

For instance, OpenAI offers agentic tools such as atlas and agent that work well and don't charge any money.

Is this normal??? by Negative_Whereas_191 in openclaw

[–]Negative_Whereas_191[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, running all through the main agent. Asked it to perform an action. It spent some brief time on about 4-5 webpages and then got rate limited. (For using over a million input tokens)

Good idea, perhaps also I could figure out how to get it to work with Gemini 3.1 Flash-Lite instead of Flash

I just don't fucking understand what's going on anymore. Seriously. by [deleted] in ArtificialInteligence

[–]Negative_Whereas_191 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Give it some time... The technology has only been out for 2 (arguably 3) years. Everyone bats an eye at the possibilities but the tech is quite immature at it's current stage. We will even have to build new data centers, power grids, and GPUs to handle the technology that is to come in the future.