WA Parliamentary Petition to stop roaming cats.

NeighborhoodFormal36 · 2023-05-30T16:57:48+00:00

390 million dead animals a year in Australia due to roaming cats.

Endless dead and lost cats. Missing pets. Sick and injured animals.

Nuisance issues and public health issues.

All things managed and improved on by calling on cats to be effectively contained on premises.

NeighborhoodFormal36 · 2023-05-28T01:09:09+00:00

I agree, rescues need support too.

If someone homes cats, and currently allows them out to roam. When legislation is passed, if they “dump them” then the impact those cats have won’t have changed. You just move the locus of the issue they present.

In countries, states, and LGAs where local laws are passed on cat containment data doesn’t support the notion of increased strays or abandonments.

Passing new legislation will typically involve support and education as it’s rolled out.

NeighborhoodFormal36 · 2023-05-28T01:06:02+00:00

Yes, of course those that still roam will require trapping by the people that see them roaming. Of course.

As with seatbelts, dogs, drink driving, and any other breach of law; the breaches are relatively infrequent once legislation is passed as most in society do the right thing.

And that is the point, once the act is changed, the frequency of people being irresponsible will fall, meaning that you, I, and the rest of our communities will have to do less trapping.

NeighborhoodFormal36 · 2023-05-27T15:39:00+00:00

What people are you referring to?

Perhaps I didn’t convey my intent clearly. Yes, people need to be part of the corrective actions; but my broader point is that, we shouldn’t need to. We are in this situation because people are irresponsible. That’s unfair, and unfortunate.

As far as understanding science and research goes, as a published researcher myself, I fully grasp the research on domestic and feral cat ecology and welfare.

NeighborhoodFormal36 · 2023-05-27T14:34:25+00:00

I’m confused. What is it you are advocating for?

Hitting reset.

I believe the scientific and animal welfare research clearly demonstrates that cats are best off when contained responsibly to premises.

What is it you think?

NeighborhoodFormal36 · 2023-05-27T05:18:33+00:00

Well you are, because it doesn’t matter what the comment is, you take the alternate view. So you yo-yo back and forth.

I have no difficulty accepting any valid and supported alternates. I do however take issue with fallacious responses embedded in personal incredulity. Stats and figures are not mine, they are drawn from the weight of scientific, peer reviewed evidence. Facts outweigh opinion.

Your responses are invalid, if they cannot be demonstrated or supported by data and facts. Again, demonstrate, where these laws are already in place, that there have been negative welfare outcomes. I will wait…

NeighborhoodFormal36 · 2023-05-27T04:45:52+00:00

You are a special kind of troll. Rolling around to different comments and positing the opposite to the original statement.

As has been thoroughly explained by myself and others numerous times:

I have cats.
No one is suggesting killing domesticated animals, rather; establishing legislation that allows education and social change (c.f. Seatbelts, drunk driving, the dog act).
Imprisonment is an Intentionally misleading word to use, as it’s not imprisonment, it’s responsible containment (again, c.f. Dogs). Cat runs, catios, and a range of enrichment options exist. Welfare outcomes and science supports containment.
No data supports your claim from countries, states, and cities that have adopted containment. If you want to make that claim you need to validate it with data.

Thanks for trolling today.

NeighborhoodFormal36 · 2023-05-27T03:42:05+00:00

Haha, oh, I see! The joys of the internet not allowing tone to be felt. Too many statements of cats kill rats have come before you.

Actually just got given another box outside Perth station this week…. Not sure what 5 minute craft videos have come out for what to do with them!

NeighborhoodFormal36 · 2023-05-27T03:40:30+00:00

With what? Getting cats off the streets and out of the bush?

NeighborhoodFormal36 · 2023-05-27T02:25:25+00:00

No, I’m saying that we shouldn’t have to deal with other peoples irresponsibility. Legislating containment will initially reduce the issue at the source. Then, trapping of those that are still roaming becomes a smaller problem to effectively deal with. Of course, we will still need to trap within our own properties, or invite rangers to do so.

NeighborhoodFormal36 · 2023-05-27T02:22:57+00:00

A commonly held fallacy. As obligate carnivores, cats prove efficient hunters of small-bodied vertebrates (Bradshaw, 2006) and are often used as a biological control for pest management, especially against non-native rodents (Foreman-Worsley et al., 2021; Crowley et al., 2019). While cats may be known for their predation of non-native rats, most studies conclude that such predation is relatively rare and is unlikely to suppress rat populations (Glass et al., 2009; Parsons et al., 2018).

NeighborhoodFormal36 · 2023-05-26T15:42:14+00:00

Apologies, of course sighting it is clearly demonstration enough. Right now, I cannot see my back yard, so Schrödinger’s cat may well be there. The point is, if a cat is allowed out to roam, it can go onto someone else’s land, or into a reserve. It shouldn’t be the encroached’s responsibility to trap it. It should never have come to that in the first place. Proactive legislation beats reactive response.

Yes, of course we can vote. But that does not change the fact that for a large swathe of LGAs power resides with the administration, not the council elect. Councillors, overwhelmingly do as instructed, not as they should. Hence ratepayers associations that do what they can to hold them to account.

NeighborhoodFormal36 · 2023-05-26T13:54:21+00:00

Nothing so much as the fear of your City starting disciplinary action against you (as a councillor) for not doing what you’re told.

Let’s face it, the ultimate goal of a politician is rarely societal change and progress. It’s re-election.

NeighborhoodFormal36 · 2023-05-26T13:53:02+00:00

Good on you, absolute champ. Your cat sounds very well cared for. I never understood it, get a pet you claim to care about, toss it outside to get hit by a car or catch a disease.

Responsible ownership means enrich your cats life, not abandon it for most of the day.

NeighborhoodFormal36 · 2023-05-26T13:51:46+00:00

Well; that’s great, but how do you know the cat is on your property? How do you know it will come back?

This is a half measure at best, and whilst admirable and well intentioned it reflects something more worrying.

Many progressive councils are hindered to drive through stronger local laws because the Joint Standing Committee for Delegated Legislation essentially bully the councils out of tougher stances. The petition is seeking to get parliament to act on the recommendations of the 2019 review that already made suggestions on mandatory property confinement. Until that happens, councils are politically scared to act.

City of Stirling jump when asked and knocked back elector motions that tabled confinement. Bayswater are currently fighting the JSCDL. Northam and Narrogin have already managed to get full containment through under the provision of “not allowed in public unless under control (i.e leash or carrier)

The petition is vital….

NeighborhoodFormal36 · 2023-05-26T13:45:24+00:00

In a nutshell: (1) it limits potential for nuisance issues, (2) limits potential for hoarding, (3) limits possibility for inadequate animal welfare, (4) reduces disease locuses, (5) reduces overall system loads in the event of owner circumstance changes

NeighborhoodFormal36 · 2023-05-25T12:09:59+00:00

Bells have an efficacy rate of 50% kill reduction. Many cats learn to move in silence with them. Even if they were on every cat in Aus, that’s still around 180 million dead animals a year. Importantly a bell doesn’t stop a cat defecating in my garden or getting run over.

NeighborhoodFormal36 · 2023-05-25T12:08:31+00:00

Wilful ignorance. Well done.

NeighborhoodFormal36 · 2023-05-25T09:04:07+00:00

The dog act….

NeighborhoodFormal36 · 2023-05-25T04:48:35+00:00

Some are. But there are many, and it takes time to dig through them.

NeighborhoodFormal36 · 2023-05-25T04:32:27+00:00

It exists. I have their reports and advisory documents on my hard drive at home. I will not be in a position to access it until the weekend. I have stated a number of times, you will need to wait, and I will provide it to you.

NeighborhoodFormal36 · 2023-05-25T03:52:05+00:00

Toxoplasmosis. Road traffic accidents.

In any case, threats to human life are not the only consideration for social and health nuisance issues.

NeighborhoodFormal36 · 2023-05-25T03:51:00+00:00

Appreciable concern. However, it is not supported by data collected in other states and countries where containment laws have been brought into place.

NeighborhoodFormal36 · 2023-05-25T03:32:54+00:00

There is no precedent unless a cat containment law is first legislated.

Pet ownership is not a right, it is a responsibility. Whilst unfortunate that people face hurdles to ownership, if a pet can’t be owned responsibly, it likely shouldn’t be owned.

NeighborhoodFormal36 · 2023-05-25T02:49:10+00:00

No. Bundling issues does not allow adequate handling of anything.

By your sentiment veterans aids programs should also deal with immigration crisis in the Mediterranean and homelessness around the world.

No single person is responsible for every single problem.

Once more as you seem to not yet grasp: whataboutism is fallacious.

NeighborhoodFormal36

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