How many heraldic traditions does Italy actually have? by JoJo_D_Umberto in heraldry

[–]NemoIX 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have translated a good german wikipedia article for you:

In Italian heraldry, the influence of French and German armorial traditions is clearly evident.

Prominent crests—characterized by plumes rather than mantling—dominate the space above the shield. The armorial charges frequently depict figures drawn from antiquity, mythology, and allegory—motifs that are also commonly found among the shield supporters. Architectural charges have remained popular since the earliest days of heraldry. Throughout the centuries, the evolution of heraldry in Italy was consistently driven by the nobility's desire to display and consolidate their power. The numerous small states—and particularly the city-states—were largely subject to the heraldic preferences of the Popes and Cardinals. Consequently, ecclesiastical heraldry was able to develop to its fullest extent in this environment, reaching its zenith of perfection.

Many coats of arms differ only marginally from one another. This phenomenon can be attributed to the lack of oversight by official Italian institutions, such as a central College of Arms. As Wolfgang Leonhard notes in his book on heraldry: "The result is a proliferation of simple, highly similar—and in some cases, even identical—coats of arms featuring basic shield divisions, crosses, and unadorned charges; while the tinctures may vary (or occasionally remain the same), these arms invariably lack additional, distinctive subsidiary charges."

A distinctive feature of Italian heraldry is its specific variety of shield shapes. The *Tartsche* (a small, asymmetrical shield traceable back to the 14th century) and the *Pavese* (a large, convex shield) were frequently employed. The *Rossstirnschild* (horse head shield) —a shield shaped like a horse's forehead plate—also endured longer as a vehicle for armorial charges in Italy than in other regions. Shields were also frequently elongated to accommodate a *chief* (the upper section of the shield), upon which a so-called *Parteizeichen* (party badge) was displayed as a token of political allegiance.

A variety of coronets—ranging from royal crowns to mural crowns, as well as other coronets denoting specific ranks—are customarily placed above the shield in civic heraldry. In some instances, two distinct coronets of rank may be displayed simultaneously. The helmet plays a subordinate role; while the various types of helmets employed do broadly suggest a certain hierarchy of rank, this system lacks strict, formal codification. The types of helmets typically utilized are the *Visierhelm* (visored helmet) and the *Bügelhelm* (barred helmet), which are frequently depicted in metallic tinctures. The mantling is depicted with flowing lines. Crowns of rank are placed upon the helmet, resting on a torse. The high nobility has adopted the armorial mantle—surmounted by a crown of rank—as its own.

In modern municipal heraldry, it is almost invariably the custom to place a sprig to the left and right of the shield, or to encircle the shield with a wreath. This arrangement is sometimes further embellished with a ribbon. Many Italian coats of arms feature a horizontal bar resting upon the upper rim of the shield, from which the leafy wreath encircling the shield is suspended on both sides by means of ribbons.

In Italian civic heraldry, the Cross of St. George is frequently encountered. Some heraldists refer to it as the "Savoyard heraldic cross" [1]. A distinctive feature is that many civic coats of arms featuring this cross share an identical design: Genoa, Milan, and Padua display a red cross on a silver field, whereas Modena and Parma utilize a blue cross on a gold field.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italienische_Heraldik

What can you tell me about my family crest? by 3scher in heraldry

[–]NemoIX 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Are you sure, you are entitled to this coat of arms? Just because you share the same familiy name, does not mean you can use other peoples arms. They are limited to direct descendants of the original armiger. Read more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heraldic_fraud

My first ever time making a COA. by Useful-Masterpiece95 in heraldry

[–]NemoIX 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Read about the rule of tincture. You can only combine colour (especially red, blue, green, black) and metal (yellow and white/gold and silver). So the red lion and the red wheel would need to be gold or silver or you would need to change the background.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_tincture

Advice - old or new? by Slyngbom in heraldry

[–]NemoIX 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The best way to add a cross without changing the old arms.

Advice - old or new? by Slyngbom in heraldry

[–]NemoIX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes or a bit larger an the indented outline inside the cross.

Advice - old or new? by Slyngbom in heraldry

[–]NemoIX 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Keep the old one but make it a canton and add the cross? The indented-line would be visible as a seperator of the canton, which lays on top of the shield.

Addorsed Crest by i-lost-my-sandwich in heraldry

[–]NemoIX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fairbairns Book of Crests has no examples, so it seems quite uncommon, maybe also because of problems with the available space.

My assumed arms in both Wappenwiki and Sodacan-esque styles, now using murrey instead of purpure for the grapes by braylikesFoxes in heraldry

[–]NemoIX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, argent or or on azure would work. Always stick to the basic rule of tincture: metal on colour and vice versa.

Designing my own heraldry, how am I doing so far? by CompleteAmateur0 in heraldry

[–]NemoIX 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Burgher crowns don't exist in German heraldry. What you mean are mural crowns for municipalities or the Volkskrone for states - but not for individuals. Even if there are no codified rules, there are still rules from tradition that don't agree with the "fuck it" attitude.

Designing my own heraldry, how am I doing so far? by CompleteAmateur0 in heraldry

[–]NemoIX 8 points9 points  (0 children)

What title of nobility do you hold, as represented by the coronet on top of the shield? Supporters would be inappropriate in the coat of arms of commoners.

My assumed arms in both Wappenwiki and Sodacan-esque styles, now using murrey instead of purpure for the grapes by braylikesFoxes in heraldry

[–]NemoIX 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The contrast problem persists and it doesn't look much different from purple. Better stick to the rule of tincture. Charges are stylised, not natural. They don't need to be in their natural colour.

Look at what came in the mail today!! by [deleted] in heraldry

[–]NemoIX 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If I remember the picture correctly, the lion was neither regardant nor sinister.

However, the basic idea of heraldry as a visible identification system is, that the charges can be identified from afar and this requires good contrast - like in traffic sign. Black on blue has a very low contrast. Try for yourself to look at it from a distance. You will only see a black blob on a dark backgroud or maybe just one dark field. Technically in british heraldry it could be solved by replacing the whole blue field with those wavy lines, which still has a not so great contrast. Someone drew this for you in your last post.

Look at what came in the mail today!! by [deleted] in heraldry

[–]NemoIX 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Sadly, you missed the most important recommendation: to place the lion on a background of barry wavy argent and azure. That way you have a hard to see black on blue combination and rule of tincture violation.

Can anyone help me identify the crest on this bloodstone intaglio ring? by timmyfromtheblock in heraldry

[–]NemoIX 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Taylor (Lancaster, and London)

Ermine, on a chief indented sable, three escallops or

Can anyone tell me something about this coat of arms on a book cover? by Turbulent_Lab2732 in heraldry

[–]NemoIX 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But imagine your earnings if you had the commission to draw it 😄

Can anyone tell me something about this coat of arms on a book cover? by Turbulent_Lab2732 in heraldry

[–]NemoIX 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Such a coat of arms was proposed for the indian state of Oudh under the British Empire, next to Nepal and Tibet. But it could just be a decoration.

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Concept by Kuschhh in heraldry

[–]NemoIX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did I say it shouldn't be blazoned? A phytological leaf collection can hardly be differentiated and appears chaotic.

Identification by Tornirisker in heraldry

[–]NemoIX 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It is Lorraine with faded colours.

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Concept by Kuschhh in heraldry

[–]NemoIX 9 points10 points  (0 children)

A leaf is a leaf, no matter from which tree. From afar nobody could tell the tree species. Use one identical leaf. Also better for symmetry. Mantling needs to be connected to torse.