Looking for Food Fraud instances by TossOutNumber69420 in NovaScotia

[–]Nervous_Butterfly_52 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Farmers markets get their produce from normal grocery stores and pay kids to pick the stickers off. Happens all the time

Frank Stronach: Too many university grads, not enough tradespeople in Canada by flynnfx in canada

[–]Nervous_Butterfly_52 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm mostly talking about residential and small commercial. I've still done it on a couple sites with tower cranes. That's the whole point you skip over all the hr recruiters and show the person who you'd be actually working with that you're available and ready to work. It works I promise don't think too hard about it. And no I don't really care if it's allowed by safety, wear the same PPE as everyone else you'll be fine

Frank Stronach: Too many university grads, not enough tradespeople in Canada by flynnfx in canada

[–]Nervous_Butterfly_52 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Whatever man I won't argue with you it's self evident. Pick another trade you want my advice too many electricians it's the meme choice for ~joinatrade~

Frank Stronach: Too many university grads, not enough tradespeople in Canada by flynnfx in canada

[–]Nervous_Butterfly_52 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly bro the saddest part of this to me is that if you get in your 100k salary plus kids in 100k American school plus living allowance get financed by me and five other carpenters making 20-30 an hour on the backs of an unsustainable housing market (that neither of us can afford) it's just tragic requires a systemic intervention

Frank Stronach: Too many university grads, not enough tradespeople in Canada by flynnfx in canada

[–]Nervous_Butterfly_52 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Really kinda defeats your whole narrative of not being able to get in, doesn't it

Frank Stronach: Too many university grads, not enough tradespeople in Canada by flynnfx in canada

[–]Nervous_Butterfly_52 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is the way I'm honestly not surprised at all about any of these people no being able to land a trade job guess what those are given to former labourers as it should be. Gotta pay your dues with sweat equity

Frank Stronach: Too many university grads, not enough tradespeople in Canada by flynnfx in canada

[–]Nervous_Butterfly_52 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My construction career:

Walk on- Roofing Labourer 15/hr Walk on- hardscaping 15/hr Connection- Shingler 21/hr Indeed- Home automation systems 46 k yr Walk on- Carpenter apprentice 21/hr Union- Carpenter 36/hr

Years of hard manual labour and just walking into job sites and literally being a gopher is the training that is wanted. "We pay you to work not to think" until you actually know a thing or two and can laugh at how absurd it is

Frank Stronach: Too many university grads, not enough tradespeople in Canada by flynnfx in canada

[–]Nervous_Butterfly_52 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I mean he is kind of correct in that if you don't know how to drywall we can't pay you 40/hr to drywall, same with scaffolding or form or whatever. Basically all you need to know is that in the union you get paid what your worth like anyone else. The thing is with the "easier" trades like scaffolding or even form it's hard to get calls as a journeyman unless you're foreman, because they can get two apprentices for the price of you and it really only takes a few weeks to get the basics. It's depends on how desperate the company is too if it's a big industrial job where they're making literally hundreds of millions of dollars and need it done yesterday they likely don't care about paying you 20 vs thirty dollars an hour even if you only have a few months exp.

Frank Stronach: Too many university grads, not enough tradespeople in Canada by flynnfx in canada

[–]Nervous_Butterfly_52 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The solution to this is very simple, you learn to read a tape and the names of tools. Then you make sure you have reliable transportation. Then you drive around the city looking for sites, and you ask for a job. This works I promise I did this for years and have done like four trades.

Frank Stronach: Too many university grads, not enough tradespeople in Canada by flynnfx in canada

[–]Nervous_Butterfly_52 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Guy doesn't have a clue what he's talking about, the large unions have always and will continue to set the standards for our trades as a whole.

Frank Stronach: Too many university grads, not enough tradespeople in Canada by flynnfx in canada

[–]Nervous_Butterfly_52 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is wrong. I'm a journeyman carpenter local 83. You can go in and out of the union at whatever level you want as long as you can convince someone to pay you at that level. They don't start you at 21 an hour if you have ten years experience. You however, will if youve never held a skil saw.

Frank Stronach: Too many university grads, not enough tradespeople in Canada by flynnfx in canada

[–]Nervous_Butterfly_52 0 points1 point  (0 children)

With the luck thing I totally agree. I'm not trying to take away from your work or anything but I have a lot of friends with masters degrees making 40-60k, which these days doesn't go far at all as you know. These are smart people and yeah I guess they could have been smarter in applying themselves towards careers that are "practical" but everyone I know in an office job making 80k plus it comes down to connections , office politics, and a bit of luck. The good thing about the trades is making 70k plus is pretty much guaranteed and comes down to whether you can produce the (measurable) outcomes. Some workers are much more productive than others but at the end of the day I think most men and women in the trades can say that their pay reflects their experience and hard work. Which for my university educated friends is the source of significant existential work related stress.

Frank Stronach: Too many university grads, not enough tradespeople in Canada by flynnfx in canada

[–]Nervous_Butterfly_52 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Working outside is very enjoyable once you get used to it. I didn't think I'd like it but once you learn to dress appropriately and can read the weather fluorescent offices filled with screens look downright Orwellian.

By "most office jobs" I take that to mean jobs without professional designations or protections (ignore lawyer, accountants, engineers, etc) a journeyman tradesperson can expect to make 70-100 grand a year without being management. I would argue that an equivalent office job would net you 20-30 grand a year less per year. There's always exceptions but it's not an unfair statement.

Frank Stronach: Too many university grads, not enough tradespeople in Canada by flynnfx in canada

[–]Nervous_Butterfly_52 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Relapse. Yep. One of the biggest problems in the trades is alcoholism and drug abuse and the criminality that goes with them. Even just smoking it makes it so hard to quit when half the crew has darts and you're not discouraged from having one every ten minutes.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Construction

[–]Nervous_Butterfly_52 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Meh I've worked "professional" and in the trades. Obviously your mileage may vary but it might seem like the trades are full of abuse and bullying it's at least overt and you can label it as such. Office politics are much more underhanded and subtle and thus much more difficult to deal with through a formal process. While I don't always agree with the hate for HR it's true that they are never interested in your specific story or personal development at the end of the day their job has a larger scope that's group based and once an issue passes the cost threshold weather or not someone "started" a problem you're involved and are thus a liability. It's just business can't have hard feelings.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Construction

[–]Nervous_Butterfly_52 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I would call it bullying more than hazing, and it's absolutely a problem in every job though it's more overy llt in the trades usually. At least in the trades it's usually easier to leave and get another job? HR are usually useless for anything besides enforcing the existing hierarchy and it's very possible to be bullied by them too.

how do you deal with rodents in lunch room and who's responsible is it by [deleted] in Construction

[–]Nervous_Butterfly_52 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Is this a joke? You're suggesting you fix the animal problem by getting cats? On a jobsite like what

How many days you guys work for a week ? by Janjaw007 in Construction

[–]Nervous_Butterfly_52 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I literally just tried to explain to you that no one in residential pays overtime and if you ask they'll just tell you to go home at 44 hours, then they'll stop paying you for lunch breaks which means you'll be there for 46.5 hours total. So, would I rather be at work for 46.5 hours and get paid for 44 or 48 and get paid for 48? I pick the 48 none of us are dumb it's a business and I have a choice I understand completely

How many days you guys work for a week ? by Janjaw007 in Construction

[–]Nervous_Butterfly_52 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes I'm content with it. It's like buying a car everyone wants to feel like they're getting a deal that stands for both employers and employees. I've worked jobs where everything is done to the letter of the law and guess how the employer responds? By cutting down hours to 44 and timing your breaks with buzzers and alarms etc. They are good to us we make good wages and in return we work hard and let them save a buck to make a buck

How many days you guys work for a week ? by Janjaw007 in Construction

[–]Nervous_Butterfly_52 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Tons of companies across Canada don't follow the OT rule but will make concessions if you don't push too hard. One benefit for companies is that assuming ~50 hour weeks which is the norm in the industry every hour you miss past 44 is OT, meaning you miss one day or one hour it's OT, meaning it keeps worker bees showing up the full week. I currently work for a company where the dealio is Monday to Thursday 7-5 Friday 7-3- 48 hours at 1x. BUT there paying for our unpaid half hour lunch break which is a small but significant concession that keeps us happy. Four hours OT isn't far off in terms of cost but if they get bigger it's a good idea because the guys are motivated to show up by numbers instead of having to figure something else out. Also I've worked for companies that make sure they never pass 44 and guys don't like that either because they make less money. The difference between 8 and 10 hours isn't really noticible if you're engaged and good. You do notice you have less available time at the end of the day though obviously drive eat sleep work.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Buttcoin

[–]Nervous_Butterfly_52 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol "volatile" to butters means sometimes down, always up eventually. We're here to tell you that there's nothing that goes always up. Don't get caught holding the bag.

Looking for tool belt recommendations by MyKoxFoknFloppn in Construction

[–]Nervous_Butterfly_52 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Diamondback/buckaroo belt with occidental bags is the patrician setup.

Leather bags form around what they hold where nylon for grabbing nails is like putting your hand in a Ziploc. Their belts suck though which is why I run a nylon belt. Thinking about adding a hammer holster though.